Well not exactly. It wasn’t just an arbitrary 2500 pilots, it was a specific 2500 pilots. The most senior of which was identified and the warn letters that went out don’t apply to anyone above him/her.


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So I just was on one of the Zoom calls with the union reps they did for a base that was geared towards WARN pilots, and I am just as confused about this LOA as I was at the beginning. Now they made it seem like the only ones in danger of getting involuntarily furloughed or forced into a ZTL in lieu of furlough were in fact those 2500...but it was not clear at all nor did I get the feeling that there was any sort of concensus on this either from the reps...I hope I am very very wrong about this LOA...bottom line is APA needs to put out A LOT more info on this thing.

 

I don’t understand why your union would sign on for this unless, it just makes no sense.

 

It is hard for me to follow. How many folks are facing furlough on/about Oct 1, being hopefully the first and last round.

 

Join the club. This was the biggest backstab in APA history since...oh wait, never mind that's just how they operate.

 

That’s for damn sure!


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This was a classic APA fumble. The more I read it and think about it, the worse it is. I originally thought we could save quite a few people from furlough. In actuality it’s just the opposite, with no downside to the company. They get to bench many more than planned because we are voluntarily doing it for free for them.

It’s really sad when the BOD comes up with this crap about how reduced ALV are a concession now, when the negotiators were directed to get it in contract talks as a gain in S6 negotiations 7 months ago. What The Actual F@CK?!

Here I thought EF and crew were going to be a good change...nope. Same crap different people. He hasn’t even addressed the membership, much less those in the 2500 about this crap sandwich. Probably “forgot” again. Just pathetic.

 

I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt too until I looked into it more and ran different scenarios. As someone in the 2500 saying this, we would have been better off with nothing.

 

I hope for your sake and many others we are all wrong about this LOA, bc at this point it seems like our only hope. Anyone outside the 2500 WARN pilots that takes a ZTL award that knocks off 1 less furlough for the 2500, and for every 2 that take the alternating month fly month no fly that knocks off 1 furlough of the 2500...that's it done finished, none of this other bs. Simple and easy for everyone to understand and game plan for...if that's what this is for God's sake someone from APA please just freaking say this with some assurance that we aren't going to be screwed by the company bc of some poor ass language. Heck you could even have a multiple rounds of bidding...for example in rd 1 (for easy to follow small numbers) let's say 5 pilots out side the 2500 take ZTL thus "protecting" pilots 2500, 2499, 2498, 2497, and 2496. Now in rd 2 those "protected" pilots can bid for a ZTL or alternating month to month bid thus giving them a chance to "save" the next pilots in line in the 2500. It honors seniority to a tee and gives everyone a clear picture of where they stand. Its probably way to simple but then again I like to keep things simple...At some point someone will get furloughed but I bet in this case the company would hold on to more pilots then the other scenario of all 2500 getting ZTL'ed...then again if the company threatened to APA to do something or else they were going send out 3,000 or whatever more WARN notices , well then either as an APA BOD member you believe them and take the bait, or you roll the dice and call their bluff. Tough call either way.

 

No senior pilot above the cuurent cutline will get furloughed.
No senior pilot will be furloughed without having the opportunity to bid a ZTL or a conditional ZTL.

A senior pilot, below the cutline, who passes on both the ZTL or conditional ZTL will be at risk of furlough.