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Old 10-10-2020 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
what do you want, Shakespeare instead?

Wait that was an option cool, I just think people need to take a deep breath before they write all of our obituaries.
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Old 10-10-2020 | 05:15 AM
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Default Rota Furtonea - Shakespeare

With domineering hand she moves the turning wheel,
Like currents in a treacherous bay swept to and fro:
Her ruthless will has just deposed once fearful kings
While trustless still, from low she lifts a conquered head;
No cries of misery she hears, no tears she heeds,
But steely hearted laughs at groans her deeds have wrung.
Such is a game she plays, and so she tests her strength;
Of mighty power she makes parade when one short hour
Sees happiness from utter desolation grow.
Shakespeare quoting somebody else but close enough.
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Old 10-11-2020 | 06:58 AM
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Yep. And but for a certain First Lieutenant Alonzo Cushing, posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for defeating Pickett’s charge, they probably would have been successful. It was a too near thing for any rational person to want to take such a risk again.
Pickett’s Charge was arguably over before it began....
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Old 10-11-2020 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
Pickett’s Charge was arguably over before it began....
Alonzo Cushing was an incredible patriot who continued to direct his artillery while literally holding his intestines in his hand, all the way until he was shot in the head. His service and sacrifice were remarkable, but with the utmost respect to him both as an American and a veteran, the failure of Pickett's Charge was the result of much more than one man on either side (other than perhaps Lee himself in deciding to order it).

Where to start? Alexander Porter's reb artillery failed to break up the union artillery or soften the infantry in the center for a variety of reasons, leaving the majority of the union position intact behind a stone wall. Then 12,000+ rebs had to march in Napoleonic formations nearly a mile across a gigantic open field with no cover in 90 degree heat and attack a (largely intact) fortified position with good cover that was slowly picking them off with accurate rifle fire and grapeshot. By the time the rebs even got close, they had suffered nearly 50% casualties and were demoralized, and some of their field commanders, like General Trimble, gave confusing orders that caused multiple regiments to move and attack uncoordinated and to get outright slaughtered. Pickett's Charge was not a single point failure or success. It was a combination of failures for the rebs and a combination of luck, bravery and skill for the union.
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Old 10-11-2020 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by paulcg77
Alonzo Cushing was an incredible patriot who continued to direct his artillery while literally holding his intestines in his hand, all the way until he was shot in the head. His service and sacrifice were remarkable, but with the utmost respect to him both as an American and a veteran, the failure of Pickett's Charge was the result of much more than one man on either side (other than perhaps Lee himself in deciding to order it).

Where to start? Alexander Porter's reb artillery failed to break up the union artillery or soften the infantry in the center for a variety of reasons, leaving the majority of the union position intact behind a stone wall. Then 12,000+ rebs had to march in Napoleonic formations nearly a mile across a gigantic open field with no cover in 90 degree heat and attack a (largely intact) fortified position with good cover that was slowly picking them off with accurate rifle fire and grapeshot. By the time the rebs even got close, they had suffered nearly 50% casualties and were demoralized, and some of their field commanders, like General Trimble, gave confusing orders that caused multiple regiments to move and attack uncoordinated and to get outright slaughtered. Pickett's Charge was not a single point failure or success. It was a combination of failures for the rebs and a combination of luck, bravery and skill for the union.
All true, but without that one artillery battery it might still have broken the line - it got damn close - and if it had done that and turned the flanks, it would have been all over, because prior to Gettysburg the Union Army didn’t have a lot of victories. One more loss and it might have been all over for the Union.
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Old 10-11-2020 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
All true, but without that one artillery battery it might still have broken the line - it got damn close - and if it had done that and turned the flanks, it would have been all over, because prior to Gettysburg the Union Army didn’t have a lot of victories. One more loss and it might have been all over for the Union.
if you read Shelby Foote, and listen to what he says at the end of ken burns civil war doc, the north never had to really get serious. There were many areas untouched and unaffected by the war. Their industrial, size and wealth advantage made it all but a foregone conclusion that they would prevail. If Lee would have accepted command of the army of the Potomac, it would have been a 2 year conflict, max. Now, back to furloughs and bankruptcies, when can I start to panic?
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Old 10-11-2020 | 12:24 PM
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Yesterday. Panic that is
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Old 10-11-2020 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
if you read Shelby Foote, and listen to what he says at the end of ken burns civil war doc, the north never had to really get serious. There were many areas untouched and unaffected by the war. Their industrial, size and wealth advantage made it all but a foregone conclusion that they would prevail. If Lee would have accepted command of the army of the Potomac, it would have been a 2 year conflict, max. Now, back to furloughs and bankruptcies, when can I start to panic?
When you read this:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielr.../#7f82844b6d27
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Old 10-11-2020 | 03:26 PM
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fake news, my boss says we’ll never lose money again, 4th quarter will probably set records for profits.
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Old 10-11-2020 | 05:45 PM
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How long will this furlough last again?

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