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Old 08-08-2021 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
You guys can tell yourselves whatever you want, it’s not going to change reality.

Good luck in court

https://apnews.com/article/health-co...fa371675f8c617

Supreme Court precedent in Jacobson V. Massachusetts. Roll up those sleeves boys
Personally, I don’t care if you want/get the vaccine or not. I’m all about freedom of choice. I can understand not getting the vaccine. I can also understand not giving a F if you get the vaccine and spread it to those that chose not to get it. Freedom, responsibilities, ethics and ramifications are all debatable here. On a PTT CL made it clear the company has no doubts then can require it.
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Old 08-08-2021 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
Doubtful. If anything they will just be required to quarantine. No nation has vax mandates for aircrews or is even talking about it.
So AA will let you go to a foreign country and quarantine in a hotel on their dime rather than just take the far cheaper option and mandate the vaccine? Do we work for the same company?


Again, you can delude yourself into thinking whatever you want if it helps you sleep at night for the next couple weeks. Reality looms
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Old 08-08-2021 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
So AA will let you go to a foreign country and quarantine in a hotel on their dime rather than just take the far cheaper option and mandate the vaccine? Do we work for the same company?


Again, you can delude yourself into thinking whatever you want if it helps you sleep at night for the next couple weeks. Reality looms
I think he means you just quarantine for the duration of your stay in country, this is currently done is SYD and BGI, probably other places but those I know of…you stay in your room till it’s van time…BGI you can go out if vax-ed, not sure about SYD…
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Old 08-09-2021 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
basic reading comprehension should be a requirement.
Quarantine refers to the practice of separating individuals who have had close contact with someone with COVID-19 to determine whether they develop symptoms or test positive for the disease. ….Quarantine for COVID-19 should last for 14 days after the exposure has ended.”

I comprehend your message just fine, it’s not my fault you made a different argument than you intended.


Also, your anger is misdirected. I’m not making the rules, I’m just telling you the reality of the situation.
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Old 08-11-2021 | 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
Biggest issue is who is our union reps. Yes ALPA would give us better resources, but if we still have the same corrupt, unimaginable reps we will be in the same boat.

I don't care how well you think your rep is or what they have done for you in the past, we need new blood in there, people who are willing to think outside the box, people who aren't selling us short to the company.
Absolutely. There's definitely a sense that a lot of union positions at AA are minor legaue resume boosters for management. The end result is working for a flag carrier with a regional quality of life.
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Old 08-11-2021 | 07:31 AM
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I’ve flown with 3 current or former chief pilots at AAL. All 3 were heavily involved with APA in the past. It’s a revolving door and you don’t want to make too many waves while working for APA or you might lose that future cushy mgt job. After 20+ years of bringing up the rear it’s time to switch to ALPA.
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Old 08-11-2021 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AAL24
I’ve flown with 3 current or former chief pilots at AAL. All 3 were heavily involved with APA in the past. It’s a revolving door and you don’t want to make too many waves while working for APA or you might lose that future cushy mgt job. After 20+ years of bringing up the rear it’s time to switch to ALPA.
Agreed. At least we can then directly pattern bargain along with UAL and DL besides taking advantage of all that ALPA has to offer in additional benefits to their pilots. We have been working on this ILC since 1963 - I’m not sure it’s ever going to happen.
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Old 08-12-2021 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AAL24
I’ve flown with 3 current or former chief pilots at AAL. All 3 were heavily involved with APA in the past. It’s a revolving door and you don’t want to make too many waves while working for APA or you might lose that future cushy mgt job. After 20+ years of bringing up the rear it’s time to switch to ALPA.
Could fences be a solution? Let's say 5 years from APA to management for certain APA positions.
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Old 08-12-2021 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AAL24
I’ve flown with 3 current or former chief pilots at AAL. All 3 were heavily involved with APA in the past. It’s a revolving door and you don’t want to make too many waves while working for APA or you might lose that future cushy mgt job. After 20+ years of bringing up the rear it’s time to switch to ALPA.

Same stuff happens with (D)ALPA. The company recently created a new management position called Director-Pilot Contract Administration and Support, and filled it with a long time ALPA insider. 20+ years in ALPA, was a negotiator and knows our contract (good and bad) better than most. The naive side of me wants to say this could be good, but the realistic side says it likely won't be in our favor lol. Not saying it's not worth a switch to ALPA, just that it's the same crap, different pile in this respect. Best of luck gents!
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Old 08-12-2021 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Same stuff happens with (D)ALPA. The company recently created a new management position called Director-Pilot Contract Administration and Support, and filled it with a long time ALPA insider. 20+ years in ALPA, was a negotiator and knows our contract (good and bad) better than most. The naive side of me wants to say this could be good, but the realistic side says it likely won't be in our favor lol. Not saying it's not worth a switch to ALPA, just that it's the same crap, different pile in this respect. Best of luck gents!
I hear you. Same crap maybe but better results. Possibly the adult supervision from ALPA national keeps each airline’s ALPA in line. Something is structurally wrong with APA and they haven’t fixed it during the last 30+ years. The results speak for themselves. ALPA produces better contracts than APA. I’m amazed by the guys who would cost themselves hundreds of thousands or possibly millions in earnings over a career because they “hate ALPA.”
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