It's Time... For ALPA.
08-16-2021, 07:51 AM
#271
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Position: 757/767
Posts: 537
Originally Posted by Tjeff
I wasn’t trying to differentiate myself, just emphasize that it appears the majority of the new hires over the next decade will be stepping into a much better situation and we may not know any better about what’s going on at other airlines. We won’t know it’s subpar compared to DL and UA. A lot of will be comparing it to where they came from which for the majority was a way worse situation.
My original post was in response to someone stating that a lot of people hired in their 20s over 30 years ago this was their first 121 job. I don’t know what you mean with accusations of differentiations?
My original post was in response to someone stating that a lot of people hired in their 20s over 30 years ago this was their first 121 job. I don’t know what you mean with accusations of differentiations?
I disagree with your assessment. I have quite a few friends who came up through the regionals and they all aspired to the majors because they wanted to be able to make >350k/year and have 18+ days off with good benefits. They didn't say oh I got used to 10 days off a month for sh$t pay so I'm cool with 13 days off for decent pay. Everyone has their eye on the prize. The only demographic that tend to be a bit weak kneed (not all of them) are the guys/gals who are retiring in the next 1-5 years. For whatever reason a lot of them are big time forward leaners and would be satisfied with minor improvements and a few more dollars.
08-16-2021, 07:54 AM
#272
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Position: 757/767
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
You will see, the number of guys who are more concerned about where you came from than where you are is too damn high. You’ll fly with a navy guy who tells you you’re only a real pilot if you’ve landed on a ship at night. Or you’ll tell a captain you flew for Piedmont and they’ll b!tch about flow through programs (although it seems like you’ll make it very well known you weren’t a flow probably in the first five seconds of conversation lol).
Then you’ll hear about USAir, legacy AA, America west, TWA. There’s so many factions in this pilot group it’ll make your head spin.
People have the ability to look at our contract and then look at another carriers and see that ours sucks- regardless of what their career looked like before. I think you should have more faith in your future coworkers.
Then you’ll hear about USAir, legacy AA, America west, TWA. There’s so many factions in this pilot group it’ll make your head spin.
People have the ability to look at our contract and then look at another carriers and see that ours sucks- regardless of what their career looked like before. I think you should have more faith in your future coworkers.
08-16-2021, 08:41 AM
#274
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Joined APC: Apr 2019
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Responding to everyone I was just stating a worry, I am not convinced it will happen. I hope we can unite and push for a unified pilot group and a much better contract. It’s just gotten real bad at the wholly owned’s the past couple years the vast majority of co workers seem they would be more than happy with the current QoL AA has. I know I will be but maybe I’ll learn more soon. That’s all I was saying.
08-16-2021, 12:26 PM
#275
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,876
Originally Posted by Tjeff
Responding to everyone I was just stating a worry, I am not convinced it will happen. I hope we can unite and push for a unified pilot group and a much better contract. It’s just gotten real bad at the wholly owned’s the past couple years the vast majority of co workers seem they would be more than happy with the current QoL AA has. I know I will be but maybe I’ll learn more soon. That’s all I was saying.
08-17-2021, 08:55 AM
#278
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What you pro ALPA folks seem to be missing is that there’s a fundamental difference between UAL/DAL and AA, and it’s significantly more important than the name of your union. DAL and UAL aren’t negotiating with Doug Parker, we are. I don’t care how strong your union is or how competent your negotiators are, you need some good faith negotiations coming back at you from across the table. If one party’s sole intent is to drag out negotiations forever only to be put on ice by some judge 5 years down the road, then no union on earth can secure an ILC.
08-17-2021, 08:23 PM
#280
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Relaxed
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
Then you’ll hear about USAir, legacy AA, America west, TWA. There’s so many factions in this pilot group it’ll make your head.
It has been almost 20 years, most of the CA have retired. Most of the FO that got the staple to the bottom have become CA. If you ask, you can understand why they feel they got the shaft (hence the Mccaskill-Bond act prevents that from ever happening to someone in the future.) But, as a whole, they have said to let bygones be bygones, let’s move ahead and make the most of the time (and good money) they still have until retirement. They are just glad they get paid for doing something the enjoy. 😀
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