Originally Posted by Route66

Yeah, you “newbies” know so much more and experienced so much more than us “old guys”. You are going to find out very soon just how “smart” you are. You’re seniority means nothing to APA or ALPA. The next merger you’re going to find out just how much you’re really worth. The “ASSociations” are worthless without principles and management knows it. There is your problem. Just keep talking trash….cause you’re just ****ed you’re not going to get 20 years.

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer

There are too many pilots here that got hired in their early 20s 35 years ago who have had 1 job in civilian aviation: AA. They lack perspective and outside the box thinking. They are great pilots and extremely valuable crew members but we'll never have an ILC while they are still here.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

He’s talking about guys that don’t uphold the contract. We’ve got guys bending over to use biz hero and posting it on every internal board (god I hope he’s trolling) when we need to do the opposite. The old guard here (not all) seem to lean forward more often than drive for a better contract.

Originally Posted by Route66

Well neither are the "hired at 20" with one job and been here forever. I was hired early but I've experienced three airline "mergers". Not including two commuter, corporate and 135, etc. You make it sound like we're old and have seen nothing.

Originally Posted by Cicada

Wait until Parker goes for a JetBlue merge job. It's a very real possibility. Wait until the kids at AA get their eyes watered when JBlu ALPA walks in with a proposal of a massive slot job starting right at the top of the list.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

You could take any two carriers and accurately predict how a SLI integration would happen. It’s been established. APA/ALPA/IBT has nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by dera

Nicolau would have disagreed with you. His creative "widebody pilots" solution was pretty damn unpredictable.

Originally Posted by Tjeff

The one thing that worries me as a NH and going to AA from PDT…

(for those who don’t know PDT has some of the worst QoL in the industry, about 10 14 day of lines a month that’s it and that’s the max days off without vacation and the average is 11 days off a month for anyone there less than 5 years) rambled a bit…

… is 50-60% of new hires are coming from flows from wholly owneds which have subpar regional QoL which regional QoL is already subpar… so most of us are getting the biggest QoL jump in our careers and will probably be extremely happy with whatever AA currently has (maybe that’s part of the flow strategy) I know I will be that’s why I tried so hard to get hired outside the flow among all the other reasons.

Another about 35-40% are coming from the military who I’m sure have been moved around the country/world, on deployments away from family for months at a time so I’m sure they will be happy with set schedules knowing when they’re off not too worried about being reassigned mid trip. I can’t really say too much from the military perspective but from the outside looking in the QoL at AA seems better than a typical military QoL. Plus most military hires this is also their first part 121 gig.

Lastly the 10% of us off the street. A lot of us are still coming from said subpar wholly owned’s. Some from other regionals.

It just seems that the majority of the future pilots will just be happy to be at AA and will not have some outside perspective similar to a DL or UA QoL. This worries me because I honestly won’t know exactly what it’s like over there. All I’ll know is my seniority is moving quicker than my contemporaries hired at the other 2 and that I have on average 4 more days off a month. I won’t be only flying 4 on 2 off 4 on 2 off crediting 75-80 hours tops a month. I’ll be making triple what I am at a regional while working a lot less in 2 years. So I don’t know how we fight to improve QoL to be on par with DL and UA (which I won’t even know what theirs is) when a majority of the future pilots are getting their biggest QoL and pay upgrades of their lives.

Originally Posted by sanicom3205

If you want unity and change you should probably stop trying to differentiate yourself before you’ve even stepped foot on property. We’ve got enough separate pilot groups here, it’s time for BTLers to change the course of things.

Originally Posted by Tjeff

I wasn’t trying to differentiate myself, just emphasize that it appears the majority of the new hires over the next decade will be stepping into a much better situation and we may not know any better about what’s going on at other airlines. We won’t know it’s subpar compared to DL and UA. A lot of will be comparing it to where they came from which for the majority was a way worse situation.

My original post was in response to someone stating that a lot of people hired in their 20s over 30 years ago this was their first 121 job. I don’t know what you mean with accusations of differentiations?