The only way I see the regionals surviving is them making mainline(ish) wages while they wait to flow. That might stem the outflow to other airlines and not disrupt applicants to AA from mil, 135, etc. dramatically increase the flow and the higher pay will make it the go to place for young cfi’s

 

Yeah but than the you go back to first your pay at AAL. Why not make the jump to a non AAL carrier asap to get on year 2 legacy pay asap?

 

I think it would be interested if they were offered pay longevity. Not seniority. Like 8 years at envoy, start at year 8 pay once you flow. Or maybe a scale, every 2 years equals 1 year of pay longevity at AA. I know if I was 1 year from flowing knowing I would be eyeing up year 3-5 pay when I started I would be way more hesitant to leave.

 

Why? Pilots will always leave the WO for other opportunities. How about the regionals improve theIr contracts and address QOL issues. Your seniority idea royal screws the OTS new hires.

 

Umm.. no! Here’s an idea.. apply, interview, get a job offer. You already have the perk of flow.. enjoy your free ride and start from the bottom like everyone else who’s been hired at AA since the beginning of time. You can always apply to FedEx and/or UPS .. 2nd year pay is equivalent to AA 12 year group II pay.

 

the whole own pilots who actually work for AAG get screwed when 2,000 pilots get hired in a year while they wait for their flow date. AA most likely won’t go hire 1,500 out of their wholly own carriers next year. so either way someone is getting screwed the only difference is a wholly own pilot has put in blood, sweat and tears to help AAG succeed for years while the OTS hire has done absolutely nothing for AAG. Regional wholly owned pilots won’t stick around if they lose thousands of numbers in seniority because they work for a wholly owed carrier. Airline pilots know seniority is everything. If you stapled all regional pilots to the bottom of the seniority list, then the OTS hires would really be getting screwed. This is a way to help those that have paid their dues and keep them at AA for 30 plus years for free.

 

So what you’re saying is Skywest, Mesa, nor Republic contribute to AAG? Hmm.. interesting outlook. Here’s the deal..your union signed the dotted line for whatever flow agreement you have. Now you’re upset that you can’t get an interview outside of flow? Have you even applied to AA? Do you meet the requirements? We have new hire pilots from ALL 3 WOs who were hired outside or flow. You can always stay at your regional and keep your seniority.

 

[QUOTE=NotPhlying;[url=tel:3324403]3324403[/url]]So what you’re saying is Skywest, Mesa, nor Republic contribute to AAG? Hmm.. interesting outlook. Here’s the deal..your union signed the dotted line for whatever flow agreement you have. Now you’re upset that you can’t get an interview outside of flow? Have you even applied to AA? Do you meet the requirements? We have new hire pilots from ALL 3 WOs who were hired outside or flow. You can always stay at your regional and keep your seniority.[/QUOTE

I never said I was upset. Trust me i’ll be at AA sooner than later. i’m just giving an idea to help retain pilots instead of other legacy carriers bleeding them dry. i never said giving every single pilot at a wholly owned a seniority number, just those 1 year out from flow. if you get hired tomorrow you have nothing to worry about.
Just take a breath i’m sure you’ll get a interview.

 

The problem with any of the seniority / longevity ideas is that both of those concepts are defined in the APA JCBA, and offering those benefits to pilots not yet on property would take negotiation with APA, which by some accounts the company doesn't seem willing to do. Given that there was already some negative comments by the APA President about WO pilots being paid their large bonuses while being in AA new hire classes (the last, large amount is supposed to come on their last WO paycheck, which at PSA could come well after leaving the company), I would imagine the APA would try and extract as much negotiating leverage as they could out of it (as well they should), and AAG doesn't seem willing to give much up at the moment.

 

Heck second year pay at an ACMI is $180k now, why wait to fly for a sinking ship that is $50 plus billion in debt. It's not will it file bankruptcy but how soon?
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