I posted what I did bc your post of 1000 deaths a day and over 3 million possible deaths in the US is the kind of fear inducing post that IMHO has pushed this country to the edge…if people were to take in that type of information in a broader context maybe we could peacefully come to terms with this virus. It’s NOT going to kill us all, not even close. People have lost sight of that and turned on their follow man in very ugly ways, just go over to the United thread for proof. People die everyday, and while tragic, it’s a part of being human. The risk associated with this virus should not elicit the kind of life altering response we are seeing, if it did, we as humans would change a multitude of behavioral norms based on the risk of dying from such norms. Yet we don’t, but for some reason with COVID we have…I am not trying to convince myself, I am just hoping there is light at the end of this dark dark tunnel we find ourselves in.

According to our NC they asked about that specifically and the response they got was AA HR will not be receiving any information on who’s taken the 30K deal.

That said, whether or not you’ve take the first 30K, the 70K pays out regardless of if you flow or are hired OTS, and regardless if you took the 30K.


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Huh? How many people get hired outside the flow now? Guessing not many. Unlike the good ole boy expressjet club at continental.

Sooo… y’all hiring or not?
A lot of talk about all the huge hiring numbers and I’m not hearing about anyone getting any emails. United and Delta emails going out in bunches. And folks previously in the pool don’t count.

A new class just started on 9/8

Then no. New hires are all flows and pre rona poolies.

no new interviews yet. all new hires are 2020 CJOs

Anyone from the 9/8 class on here care to update us on the training footprint?

Indoc still 5 days, the home for a couple weeks of CBTs?

Was the estimated training completion date the same for everyone? Or was that something you bid on with your airplane/base? TIA


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Not really that simple. Just got the schedule from a buddy that is in the next class.

Starts with at least 2 days of Orientation before Indoc. Orientation is when they go over benefits, you bid for aircraft/base, etc... You bid for when your training will start of the aircraft as well, and more importantly, when it finishes. The annual pay raise is based on the date that you bid (the projected date of finishing).

Indoc itself is 8 days. This includes getting your ipad and all of the computer access set up and time in the pool/raft. 5 days of class, weekends off. Paid single occupancy hotels.

How many pilots do we actually have on the list? Current new hires show a number around 13,6XX but the end of year projection shows around 13,000. Which end is more accurate?

are you saying there is a 70k bonus for people hired off the street or is this just for there flow threw regional guys

just for there flow threw regional guys that get hired before their flow comes up

don’t know how common it is anymore, but it was pretty routine for a while, mostly military getting a touch and go then getting hired.

I know of 2 recently hired outside the flow who say they’re in October classes.

Newly interviewed or prior pool?

that’s a minute amount. Nothing like the continental express good ole boy days. Good luck to someone trying to get hired outside.

Those are just 2 that I know. There’s probably more. And AA used to love hiring pilots outside the flow from the WOs. Hiring has only just begun so we have no real idea if it will continue or not. I’m not so sure that the bonus upon flow will make a difference to AA one way or the other. It is already a sunk cost as far as they’re concerned.

Hi all,

Thanks for reading my mssg with regards to AA hiring.
I am completely new to the industry in the US and came across this forum.

My situation is as follows: currently in the UK and wife can get relocation to Miami which we are considering (including green card for the family)
I currently work for a legacy (13 years) and have about 10.000 jet hours with currently a 777 rating. Time to wide body-command was not too far away but due to C19 is now few years away again (3-5 at least).

Assuming I have changed my European license to an FAA one, my questions are:

- Would AA hire directly onto a widebody, or would I have to do a Typerating again and start on something else?
- How much influence does a new joiner have wrt domicile/base? Miami being the preferred one in my case
- What would be my total gross salary for say the first few years?
(I came across a salary calculator but not sure I am doing that right and if there is other variable income to consider)


It has always been something we wanted to do (move to the US) but I don’t want to commute anymore or move every 2years because of the kids.
Many thanks for taking the time to reply. Feel free to write me a PM if this is not in line with the thread of this Forum.

Atb
Cloggie

You will not get hired into a widebody. The airplane you’ll fly is 100% dependent on seniority, which means that you most likely will get hired into the 73 or the Airbus 320.

Miami has been trending pretty junior lately, so you’ll probably be able to be based there fairly soon after getting hired.

As far as money is concerned there’s a lot of variables that come into play but a good rule of thumb is to get the annual pay rate and add three zeros to come up with a ballpark figure

Thank you Sigler for the info.

Out of interest, if I would be allocated 73/320 at Miami and wanting to stay there, how long would it be to get back onto 777/787?

Thanks in advance!
Cloggie

In the last bid the most junior MIA widebody award (allocation) went to a January 2015 hire on the 787. But like everywhere else covid put the brakes on hiring so assuming international flying gets back to normal (big assumption, I know!) it should come down from that. Just prior to covid widebody FO and narrowbody CA was being awarded at about 5 years in the junior bases.

Cheers, and good luck!

No salaries in the USA. Paid by the hour. You will not have a long wait to get MIA. You will likely not see the 777/787 in MIA for 4 years and that would be extreme, but retirements will be highest the next 4 years.

AB and 737 payrates the 1st 5 years are:

1. 90
2. 137
3. 161
4. 165
5. 169

The minimum monthly pay is 72 hrs for long call reserve. 76 hrs for short call reserve. A typical lineholder these days is 72-90 hrs. A reserve cannot be assigned flying that will take them beyond 85 hrs and are on call 18 days a month. You will likely be able to have a line within a year. These “hours” are not purely flight time. They include various rigs and pay protections. You can work overtime if your seniority allows. You also get international override pay and per diem. You also get 16% of your income equivalent added to a fully vested retirement account after year 1.

conservatively, altogether I’d plan on 85k year one and 170k year 5. Zero retirement added year 1. 27k added to retirement year 5. You can add up to 19.5k every year to your retirement account yourself, tax deferred. More when you’re over 50

If you work the system and find lots of premium overtime, you can semi-realistically make up to 250k starting year 3.

Will just add that LAX and LGA are the most likely bases for new hires. On Day 1 you will choose in order of age.
Occasionally there will be other spots for new hires, but if MIA is your choice, be prepared to commute for at least a few months.

How much time are you away if you are living in base vs commuting? Is it that big of a difference? Say you are working min you can and trying to maximize time at home.

If on reserve, I would say more than twice the time away, from my experience.

Living in base and sitting reserve is great - gone for 8-9 days per month and getting min guarantee. Sitting reserve out of base is terrible, and you are away from your family about twice the number of nights.

Even being a line holder out of base isn't great because a large number of trips are not commutable on both ends. A 3 day trip turns into 4 nights away from home, and sometimes 5. If you have two trips close together, it is often better to just sit in base for a day rather than commute back and forth with 1 day off. Commuting sucks right now, with most every flight being full and all of the commuters fighting for the jumpseats.

As a line holder in base about how many days off typically when junior? What is the trip mixes as far as the percent of 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 day trips on the narrow body fleets?

a junior line holder will be awarded 14-16 days off for the month typically. Our months are a mix of 30 and 31 days. Trip duration varies month to month and category to category, the percentages change monthly. But for 737/320 expect 1-5 day trips. 1 and 2 day trips go very senior with 4 and 5 day trips going to junior line holders…if you are ok working weekends you may be able to snag a 3 day trip here and there. We have a couple different systems in place that allow line holders to move/swap trips around and “improve” your schedule. Like everyone else has said, take the hourly pay rate and add three 0s and that is an easy ballpark to figure what you will make, that does not include 401k funding which would be above and beyond that short handed math. Bottom line as a junior line holder expect 4 and 5 day trips with about 14 to 16 days off. The better you learn PBS and the trip trade systems we have in place the better you will do.

Today is the first time I've noticed the green checkmark next to the PST (Pilot Skills Test) on the Profile Summary of the app. Anyone willing to share if they have a red X instead like the used to show on the personality test that used to be on the app?

Could just be a thanks for playing checkmark but just wondering if I could read into it a bit more, ha

I am now showing PST with a green checkmark as well. Good luck.

I have never really noticed if it was there before or not, but all the sections show a green check mark as of now.

Green check mark here but seems like some people have the red X as reported on RST American Facebook.

could just be missing information like the note says.

Well it appears I am out. I have a Red X on mine (which is how I felt after taking the PST).

I asked a friend who recently took the PST and submitted his AA and he doesn’t have a green or red mark. I am curious if this means you app was reviewed.

I guess the next question is when/if you can retake?

Thanks a lot everyone for the information!
Great help.

How difficult is it to go to AA with no flow as a civilian?

Difficult? All sorts of non flow civilians make it. Just the percentages of the total are low. The key is networking and job fairs it would seem for a lot of them

Pre-Covid, non flow-non military made up just under 10% of all new hires.

I noticed the Red X just showed up yesterday(I have been frequently reviewing my application) before I had a green check mark on "skills test" instead of "PST"

I emailed AA pilot credentials and AA support, and it seems like the "X" shouldn't be there if you completed the assessment. I'm confused as well...

did you email pilot recruitment and ask? Sounds like they graded them