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Dobbs18 09-26-2021 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 3300509)
Dal and FedEx seem to be the leading destinations right now.

And yeah, Make Group 1 Great Again.

this is one of the best negotiating tools we have had...hopefully APA doesn't "give up" something in return to the company for something they are going to have to improve anyways to attrack talent to come here.

Hardlanding 09-26-2021 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by Scar09 (Post 3300176)
I’m still waiting on my class dates. Hopefully the 3 Nov class.

Ok. Awesome! Wasn’t sure if they put everyone in classes yet. Makes me feel better, that they haven’t forgotten about me. Maybe I’ll be in the same class!

TallFlyer 09-26-2021 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3300542)
Attrition has increased since the retention bonuses were announced. Going to be an interesting 6-12 months in the industry.

Some people just like to watch the world burn. ;)https://imgur.com/vMxsk4p

FlyyGuyy 09-26-2021 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 3300496)
You’re right, it doesn’t matter to any APA pilot. In fact it’s better for us if the WO carriers can’t staff their flying due to attrition, gives us more leverage to bring that flying back in house. Maybe Embraer would give us a good deal on some E190E2s in exchange for some of the E175s. I hear UAL is hiring a bunch of PSA pilots…….

2 People I know at PSA recently asked to interview. They were surprised to hear something. One an fo. The other 5 years in

El Peso 09-26-2021 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 3300662)
2 People I know at PSA recently asked to interview. They were surprised to hear something. One an fo. The other 5 years in

Anything else pertinent you could tell us about those two individuals? Ya know, do they help the company with a certain metric?

ZeroTT 09-26-2021 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3300668)
Anything else pertinent you could tell us about those two individuals? Ya know, do they help the company with a certain metric?

Dunno if it’s those two but I know two who roughly fit that description and are purely non-metric.

TankerDriver 09-27-2021 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3297774)
No salaries in the USA. Paid by the hour. You will not have a long wait to get MIA. You will likely not see the 777/787 in MIA for 4 years and that would be extreme, but retirements will be highest the next 4 years.



AB and 737 payrates the 1st 5 years are:



1. 90

2. 137

3. 161

4. 165

5. 169



The minimum monthly pay is 72 hrs for long call reserve. 76 hrs for short call reserve. A typical lineholder these days is 72-90 hrs. A reserve cannot be assigned flying that will take them beyond 85 hrs and are on call 18 days a month. You will likely be able to have a line within a year. These “hours” are not purely flight time. They include various rigs and pay protections. You can work overtime if your seniority allows. You also get international override pay and per diem. You also get 16% of your income equivalent added to a fully vested retirement account after year 1.



conservatively, altogether I’d plan on 85k year one and 170k year 5. Zero retirement added year 1. 27k added to retirement year 5. You can add up to 19.5k every year to your retirement account yourself, tax deferred. More when you’re over 50

Great post, but one correction - Long Call Reserve is 73 hrs per month, not 72.

Setspeed 09-27-2021 02:59 PM

Is there a known amount of letters of rec that help you get an interview invite?

FlyyGuyy 09-27-2021 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Setspeed (Post 3301070)
Is there a known amount of letters of rec that help you get an interview invite?

QUOTE
no
I've heard of people with a dozen never hearing a word. People with 1 getting the nod.

AllYourBaseAreB 09-27-2021 06:32 PM

3 is a nice round number

FlyGuy2021 09-27-2021 07:09 PM

The hiring people have said recently that they are weighing recommendations much higher than in the past.

Since nobody has actually been called for an interview with the new hiring team yet, no one knows what AA is currently looking for. It is a complete guess. But, if you believe what the new director of hiring has said several times now, the more letters of rec, the better.

Also, update your application very often. Weekly is probably a good start.

Champeen07 09-29-2021 08:14 AM

Question on the application where it asks for years of IFR certified experience and hours of IFR certified experience. I assume years is number of years since you passed your IFR check ride. Is the number of hours the amount of hours that you've have flown since you were IFR certified or number of hours flying "actual"?

Jettwinggs 09-29-2021 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Champeen07 (Post 3301721)
Question on the application where it asks for years of IFR certified experience and hours of IFR certified experience. I assume years is number of years since you passed your IFR check ride. Is the number of hours the amount of hours that you've have flown since you were IFR certified or number of hours flying "actual"?

I went with the number of hours flown since my instrument check ride since I was duly IFR certified from that time onwards. Good luck!

Claxstarr 09-29-2021 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Champeen07 (Post 3301721)
Question on the application where it asks for years of IFR certified experience and hours of IFR certified experience. I assume years is number of years since you passed your IFR check ride. Is the number of hours the amount of hours that you've have flown since you were IFR certified or number of hours flying "actual"?


According to checkedandset guys, it’s the total hours flown on an instrument flight plan.
It should be significant.

Champeen07 09-29-2021 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Claxstarr (Post 3301763)
According to checkedandset guys, it’s the total hours flown on an instrument flight plan.
It should be significant.

Thanks. Im not sure many people actually keep track of that. Guess ill do my best to guestimate

Claxstarr 09-29-2021 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Champeen07 (Post 3301772)
Thanks. Im not sure many people actually keep track of that. Guess ill do my best to guestimate


You could probably get close by adding your ‘actual’ time prior to 121 with your TT from the 121 world.

FlamingoProp 10-05-2021 10:09 AM

So what’s the timeline for the next steps after you finish the app and PST? Should internal recommendations be sent in with the initial application?

FlyGuy2021 10-05-2021 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by FlamingoProp (Post 3304771)
So what’s the timeline for the next steps after you finish the app and PST? Should internal recommendations be sent in with the initial application?

Internal recommendations are uploaded on the site by the current employee. The outside and written letters of rec are attached to the application.

You app should never be "finished" until you get the CJO. It needs to be updated continually (AA hiring department has recommended weekly).

merica1776 10-05-2021 03:09 PM

So if you get an internal rec, do you also add them as a reference and upload a pdf of their rec as well?

SunDevilPilot 10-05-2021 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by merica1776 (Post 3304932)
So if you get an internal rec, do you also add them as a reference and upload a pdf of their rec as well?

I just have the internal, seems kind of redundant to list the same person in two separate places on the app. The references section looks like it’s more geared towards non-AA employees too.

Andrew_VT 10-05-2021 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021 (Post 3300168)
According to the potential future Indoc schedule, it will actually be 45 per week, 46 weeks of the year.

46 weeks * 45 per class = 2070, which is right about the 2000 number that we keep hearing. Allowing for a few classes to fall just short of the 45 number, as tends to happen with people having emergencies, etc...

There is absolutely no way that they have the training capacity to hire 2000 per year. They are already buying sim time elsewhere and they have a worsening shortage of check airmen.

52Flyer 10-05-2021 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew_VT (Post 3305016)
There is absolutely no way that they have the training capacity to hire 2000 per year. They are already buying sim time elsewhere and they have a worsening shortage of check airmen.

Why / how is it worsening? Just curious

Andrew_VT 10-05-2021 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by 52Flyer (Post 3305019)
Why / how is it worsening? Just curious

They are quitting faster than they are being replaced. Many feel the cost/benefit isn't there.

FlyGuy2021 10-06-2021 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Andrew_VT (Post 3305031)
They are quitting faster than they are being replaced. Many feel the cost/benefit isn't there.

Most check airmen got a pay cut last year. They were able to hold 757/767, so they were getting paid Group 3 pay while instructing in G2 aircraft. When the G3 went away, they got dropped back to G2 pay. Combine that with terrible schedules and no real benefits, they are all quitting.

There was a posting for narrow body Check Airman, and no one applied. None.

FlyGuy2021 10-06-2021 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Andrew_VT (Post 3305016)
There is absolutely no way that they have the training capacity to hire 2000 per year. They are already buying sim time elsewhere and they have a worsening shortage of check airmen.

This could be fixed in a couple months *if* management wants it fixed.

I just hope APA doesn't allow a LOA to fix this. It needs to be part of the new contract. We have leverage in terms of this, and we need to use it.

Hueypilot 10-06-2021 10:22 AM

APA should negotiate some kind of pay override, plus better scheduling for CKA. Better pay incentives plus not having an onerous schedule would probably increase interest.

FlyGuy2021 10-06-2021 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Hueypilot (Post 3305265)
APA should negotiate some kind of pay override, plus better scheduling for CKA. Better pay incentives plus not having an onerous schedule would probably increase interest.

Yes, but not outside of a new contract. It needs to be part of the new contract. Nothing until then.

Don't give up negotiating capital now on something that the company really needs.

thrust 10-06-2021 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021 (Post 3305267)
Yes, but not outside of a new contract. It needs to be part of the new contract. Nothing until then.

Don't give up negotiating capital now on something that the company really needs.

1000% this.

Hardlanding 10-06-2021 12:45 PM

Any one know if they have sent out the 3 Nov class dates yet? Still patiently waiting.

flyingbronco 10-06-2021 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Hardlanding (Post 3305342)
Any one know if they have sent out the 3 Nov class dates yet? Still patiently waiting.

I’m in the November 17th class and got an email a few weeks ago

Pilot X 10-06-2021 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Hardlanding (Post 3305342)
Any one know if they have sent out the 3 Nov class dates yet? Still patiently waiting.


this is only a guess, but maybe November 3rd?

Al Czervik 10-08-2021 01:35 AM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6bd6f36f2b.jpg
Saw this somewhere else

MartyM 10-08-2021 05:03 AM

It looks like it's from APA, but it is outdated and incorrect.

Skylarking 10-08-2021 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3306060)

There is also a 13 Oct class. The class drops just came out:

9 LGA/FO/737/D

7 MIA/FO/737/I

20 LAX/FO/320/I

9 LGA/FO/320/D

kittyhawkw 10-08-2021 11:48 AM

New application
 
Just wondering how the reference section works. How do I get recommendations on my application?

SunDevilPilot 10-08-2021 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by kittyhawkw (Post 3306239)
Just wondering how the reference section works. How do I get recommendations on my application?

Anyone recommending you internally will need to go to https://aa.pilotcredentials.com/recommendations and use the email associated with your app. For any other letters you can upload it in the same spot as your resume.

thrust 10-08-2021 02:00 PM

VP Flight claims “2160 new hires in 2022”.

believe it when I see it…

busdriver32 10-08-2021 02:18 PM

Hello! I just got an email today around 5pm EST with an invitation to interview on Tuesday or Weds of next week in person? Has anyone recently interviewed and what is the process like? thanks

MartyM 10-08-2021 03:25 PM

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MartyM 10-08-2021 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by busdriver32 (Post 3306290)
Hello! I just got an email today around 5pm EST with an invitation to interview on Tuesday or Weds of next week in person? Has anyone recently interviewed and what is the process like? thanks


Congrats on the invite! There's lots of gouges and feedback out there, one spot to look is Aviation Interviews. Good luck!


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