I did, currently waiting on a response. My understanding is that the PST isn’t a pass/fail test.

Mine has been green up until last night until seeing a big fat red X. I’ve emailed both recruiting and IT. We shall see!

Apparently 2,000 new hires next year. Don’t think that’s possible but it’s what I’m hearing.

Just heard it from a friend in the pipeline. Something somebody in recruiting or similar is saying

It’s officially what they’re trying to do. Whether they get there or not remains to be seen. If they’re trying for 2000 even if they don’t get there it will still likely be the most pilots ever hired at AA ever.

Where did you hear that it’s official? I have not seen any such communication. Also, I’ll go on record and say right now that that’s impossible, unless they do zero upgrades and use the entirety of the training department to train new hires alone.

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any info on the test on the AA application?

HR has a low success rate getting the candidates they want and is panicking.

They are under the impression AA is behind the curve.

New hire class multiple instructors and HR personnel stated it and the desire to run NH classes every single week

APA has said this as well, in a few different formats.

Although it is not likely to succeed, it is better that they are setting lofty goals and fall a little short than to set easy goals to begin with.

AA is in much better position to hire large amounts now than any point in the past. Recurrent training is 12 months, and not 9 months. There is no current backlog at all. Fewer fleet types mean less training cycles needed overall. Not much movement in the wide bodies as compared to the past (fewer wide bodies all together with less flying and no real new deliveries of aircraft).

Not to mention, by this point, most everyone is settled in to their seat. Not many 737 guys at this point are leaving for the 320, and vice-versa.

There are several Check Airman vacancies that are being filled now, and they have been hiring ground instructors and sim instructors like crazy.

AA has all of their sims up and running, and has contracted thousands of sim sessions (mostly on the 737) from outside venders (mostly in Dallas).

The record was 1206 pilot hires in 2016 by Delta. (1171 by AA in 2000.) Not saying it cannot be done, but no airline has ever done it.

I'll believe it when I see it, but even if we're limited by training saturation it'll be a good ride.

If you’re about to take it, it wasn’t too bad. No real way to prepare. If you’re talking about the red X, I read on the FB group it’s just a glitch.

Which Facebook group? Has it been confirmed as a glitch?

Hiring 2000 people a year is different from training 2000.

If they’re concerned about losing top candidates, the plan might be to take everyone and accept a backlog

And if they want to accomplish that, they’d need to become the #1 destination for pilots. Dragging out contract negotiations and telling us, final offer, take it or leave it, isnt gonna cut it I’m afraid.

What if they hire you, but defer training for 6 months to a year? Then in 2023 they need to hire a good sized amount, near their current training capacity. All they create is a bow wave.

Frustration will set in. Unless they have a strong preference for AA, they are likely to jump ship when another offer by a major comes along.

Yeah, I think it's more likely that the 2000 number is BS. Guys in the training department say all sorts of stuff.

just escaped GSW last week for CQ and every instructor in class said 90 per month(one new hire class each week).

They were more concerned where the applicants will be coming from, ie:experience.

If it was me and I lived in an AA hub, Id wait for AA. Even take the other offer and wait it out there. If I didn’t live in an AA hub and got another offer from a big 5 carrier while in the pool, I’d be gone and not look back.

Along with my rationale I was trying to expect.

Current LCA at a wholly owned with a 2 year degree, are chances of getting hired slim without the 4 year degree?

Just my opinion... But in the coming year, IF the projected hiring needs come to pass, the degree will likely matter less if you’re doing stuff like LCA, management, safety, etc work. Throw your app in, you never know.

American definitely is in the best position to recover quickly because of this. Conversely, Delta is going to have a tough time over the next 1-2 years

Hello folks, here is what I can make out of it in my opinion…
When the PST was posted for me to take there was nothing with a green checkmark or red X in the field with all other green ✅ checkmarks.
After taking the PST there was still nothing for about 3 weeks, now a “PST ✅ “ just appeared on my profile which makes me believe I passed it.
I’d guess a red ❌ is a “No-Pass” and not an “incomplete information” this is a pass or no pass type of type of teat in my humble opinion.
Now the question is, do they give a second chance on the PST???
Most airlines around the world do, but they won’t let re-take the test for another 12 months…
I don’t know what it the AA criteria on this.

Good luck to all!

I think its a glitch with the red X People are seeing.

You’ll learn all about glitches when you get to AA because they happen so often

I would agree with this, the old organizational fit assessment was ✅ pass ❌ fail with the ability to retake in 6 months. That was more of a personality test. The PST from what I hear is more like day 1 of the interview and if that’s the case most people I interviewed with and heard about the interview probably would’ve believed we got an ❌. It’s all a guessing game. The saving grace is they will need to do a ton of interviews to hit their hiring goals of 2000 next year. Flows are not based on classes, the number of people hired but are fixed numbers at least for 2 of the 3 WOs, so that’s good for OTS non-civ and civ. The movement will be crazy, it’s looking like anyone hired this year should be able to hold CA in junior bases in 3-4 years on group 2 aircraft! Unheard of!

Have all of the previous CJO’s been placed or are there still some waiting for class dates?

there were about 300 cjos issued pre covid..
2 classes of 40 in sep
3 of 40 in oct
My guesstimate is by November pool should be depleted.

They are filling in with a lot of flows too so that may push back the CJOs a bit. September 8th was all off the street and September 22nd was mostly flows. Plus they have a ton of people that started the interview process that they’re going to first.

The plan for 2022 is to hire 45 every week for the entire year, those hired this fall might be lineholders by the spring.

According to the potential future Indoc schedule, it will actually be 45 per week, 46 weeks of the year.

4 classes per month (would skip the 5th "Wednesday" of the month for the months that happen to have 5 Wednesdays), so 48 classes.

December would only have 2 classes, so a total of 46.

46 weeks * 45 per class = 2070, which is right about the 2000 number that we keep hearing. Allowing for a few classes to fall just short of the 45 number, as tends to happen with people having emergencies, etc...

I’m still waiting on my class dates. Hopefully the 3 Nov class.

Not that it matters to any of the APA guys here, but for any wholly owned pilots waiting to flow that happen to read this, the flow just became that much more worthless at the current metrics. 2,000 pilots in 2022 is double the usual and basically means you’re set back further on the seniority list if you’re waiting to flow.

Apply outside the flow they will be interviewing more then ever.

I believe pre covid there were a large number of guys at the WOs who didn't have their app in. I'm guessing its increased since, but there are still a lot who are just riding the lazy river to their flow date. But yea, do whatever you can to get outside of flow.

You’re right, it doesn’t matter to any APA pilot. In fact it’s better for us if the WO carriers can’t staff their flying due to attrition, gives us more leverage to bring that flying back in house. Maybe Embraer would give us a good deal on some E190E2s in exchange for some of the E175s. I hear UAL is hiring a bunch of PSA pilots…….

Dal and FedEx seem to be the leading destinations right now.

And yeah, Make Group 1 Great Again.

Attrition has increased since the retention bonuses were announced. Going to be an interesting 6-12 months in the industry.