Originally Posted by Capt Hindsight

Another cute sidestep of the question. You know I wasn't referring to USAPA representation as my discomfort.

USAPA's fitness should not be your concern, AFAIC, but the US pilots'. By recognized entity, do you mean the US merger committee, possible separate West representation, or both? I can understand why an APA member would love to have their opponents' representation nowhere to be found during arbitration. It would make things so much "easier" for APA, wouldn't it?

Capt H

Originally Posted by SewerPipeDvr

You unintentionally hit the nail on the head. This is a legal process. USAPA in fact did sign a CONTRACT called the MOU. If it had problems with that contract the proper venue was with the System Board via a grievance, not in Federal Courts. USAPA is trying to get this into Federal Court because that is where their attorney feels the best chance of getting what they signed away back. That is all. Again I predict the Judicial will return it back to the Executive. I don't know anything about this Judge and am not going to research him but the East attorney must feel he might accept this case, or perhaps they are just hoping the delay will make the other side cave in to their demands. Everybody will just have to wait for the answer.

Originally Posted by Capt Hindsight

You may need God for help, because I don't see many AA folks on here helping you out. Being Captain America(n) is a lonely job, isn't it?
Life is nice and simple for you define everyone on the East who differs from your opinion as a monolithic "Usapian" to fight against for truth, justice, and...yada, yada.

You really feel like you're holding court here, don't you? Starring in your own one-person show?

Let's agree our little convo has outlived its usefulness and save others the bother too. Maybe it'll free you up to handle FBW44's 'complex' answers a few pages back, rather than the standard cutsie sidestep/Usapian/Nic non-sequiturs you toss out. Nothing wrong with long winded posts, so long as you're the one providing the hot air, eh?

The last cutsie word is yours,
Capt H

Originally Posted by GrapeNuts

I think this post accurately sums up the situation. Without question, the APA would benefit from having an equal west voice in front of the arbitrators to spend more time arguing with the east over a SLI that happened seven years ago. (One of the only times in life where two against one isn't a good thing!) The worst thing for the APA would be for the US side to be united in the SLI talks, however even then, this isn't much of a threat because the east pilots voted for the MOU, the MOU dictates USAPA will not be around much longer. APA will finish the SLI (under the threat of a DFR) just like USAPA was attempting to do with the DOH cram down with the west. It seems the APA is very much aware of the DFR threat (especially with the Nicolau hanging out there, somewhere) and will act accordingly to protect the mother ship. I believe Ed James wouldn't have taken on this stance against USAPA without carefully considering the best moves for the APA going forward. By having a divided US group, being in control of the union plus the synopsis presented above by Sewer, it seems the US pilots have the deck stacked against them. But, the east pilots did it to themselves. They fought the Nic all these years, they terminally divided the US pilot group and they voted for the MOU- got big pay raises but now it is time to pay the piper for agreeing to the MOU.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

Now you are obsessing about how you are not obsessed.

You have been posing as a disinterred objective observer from Eagle flow through, with no reason to have any bias about USAPA and the Nic, yet you are more knowledgeable about the USAPA AOL fight, the lawsuits, and the Nic... more so than most USAir pilots on both sides of the issue.... and strangely you have a very opinionated position on it all.

I frankly don't know jack about the Eagle flow though or the fight with APA over all of that. And I could not care less about it. I don't obsess over reading up on the details of the Eagle/APA fight. I have no passion about the Eagle/APA fight and never will. None.

I am credible and consistent. You obsess about USAPA and the Nic more than you obsess about your own flow through issues. Why? Hmmm. I do not obsess about your flow through.

Originally Posted by flybywire44

I didn't say anyone did anything wrong, I just said that East and West did this to themselves.

Don't incorporate me into your East/West BS—this fight has nothing to do with me. I just pop my head in from time to time to refresh the repetitive tail chasing you folks do in this thread.

USAPA does not seem to actually be fighting a case here—they're just stalling. The end game is what matters most.

Originally Posted by flybywire44

Thank you for your perspectives SewerPipeDvr & GrapeNutes.





I make a point not to share information here that I cannot in person own as fact or opinion. Please go ahead and find all of these posts.

I think everyone on this forum would greatly appreciate reviewing your evidence.

I'll get you some toe floss in the mean time.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

...
The reason you think I obssess about anything, is you fail to READ.....

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

You posted eight posts in a row. How do you expect me to READ everything you post.

All I have to do is COUNT and see that you are obsessed.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

You can't read what amounts to LESS then the average page in a paperback book ?

Well, if you say so.

It's interesting one of your chums belittles me as being incapable of responding to the long-winded, illogical (and repetitive) arguments of another of your little APC gang of thugs (a proven liar), yet I'm then belittled by you for defending myself from what amounts to a pack of Usapian jackals. Sometimes, multiple responses are required. So in essence, one of your gang attacks me for FAILING to make long or multiple posts, while you then attack me for doing the opposite.

If you don't want to hear my responses (which I know make you uncomfortable because I hit too close to the bone too often), then don't engage me with attack or better yet, put me on ignore. Your ridiculous (and repetitive) claims of obsession are your delusion.