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Old 03-14-2013, 02:44 PM
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Each side in a dispute tends toward tunnel vision...that's the purpose of agreeing to binding arbitration.
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:48 PM
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Well then how can they now say that we voted to do away with it? They can't and the part of the TA that requires the Nic. Is still in our contract.

You know that Silver reversed herself and if you read her opinion you know wich way it would have gone if she hadn't
Gee, someone reversing them-self after learning the facts. Imagine that.

The MOU kills the TA.
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Each side in a dispute tends toward tunnel vision...that's the purpose of agreeing to binding arbitration.
I have to agree with you there. And because of our flawed TA and the flawed ALPA process we now get a joint contract first and use a panel of arbitrators.
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:04 PM
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So cacti, now that we have the previous SLI finished, what do you suggest our merger committee propose for the next?
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So cacti, now that we have the previous SLI finished, what do you suggest our merger committee propose for the next?
I suggest you add the west experts, do away with mandatory doh and make the merger committee completely independent. I suggest you put forward a relative seniority list with 7 year fences on the wide boîtes like dal/nwa did. I suggest the mc put forward that since the usairways side has a much higher percentage of retirement over the next seven years and that the merger helped both sides, a straight relative integration is appropriate ( instead of a Nic heavy preference on heavies). But alas, the east will walk in and demand doh.
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I suggest you add the west experts, do away with mandatory doh and make the merger committee completely independent. I suggest you put forward a relative seniority list with 7 year fences on the wide boîtes like dal/nwa did. I suggest the mc put forward that since the usairways side has a much higher percentage of retirement over the next seven years and that the merger helped both sides, a straight relative integration is appropriate ( instead of a Nic heavy preference on heavies). But alas, the east will walk in and demand doh.
Not bad. Who are your west experts and why are they experts? Why did the west shoot down Stravers?
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:41 PM
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Not bad. Who are your west experts and why are they experts? Why did the west shoot down Stravers?
No west pilot will join the mc until doh goes away, u should know that. Actually I stand corrected a couple will interview for the position, that is all I can say. Our experts are the guys that did the Nicolau arbitration, formulated positions, did research made proposals etc. but the east pilots made sure that doh is the only thing usapa mc can negotiate for, idiots.

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Old 03-14-2013, 11:59 PM
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So, to the victor goes the spoils? What exactly did you have to do with the merger? I'd bet you didn't support it.

Why didn't Doug merge with that other carrier? Why didn't he let US die. Oh, that's right, he didn't have any money and he got the entire US system, the one that is making most of the money now, for NO MONEY DOWN and easy payments. The money US raised paid off your ATSB loan.

We both worked for also-ran airlines that are much stronger today than they would have been absent the merger. By far the strongest parts came from the US side. It's just the way it is.

Are you piloting aircraft for US Airways? I'm not piloting any aircraft purchased by AWA.

The transition agreement, the one you guys AGREED to, coupled with the Nicolau award led to this. Get over it, you have the legal answer and you're about to get your Nic. What else do you want?
I see you have trouble understanding. There are no spoils for any victor to get. There was a process that you claim after the fact was flawed yet prior and during you remained silent, wonder why?

The deal with the other carrier fell thru due to SWA and boeing and boeing has been paying the price ever since as we have not ordered any boeing equipment since. Now if you are flying narrow body buses they you are fling aircraft purchased by AWA so dont fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

Now I see you running around these boards claiming flawed process and what looks to be begging for a do over. Let me help to ease your troubled mind with that. If its a do over you and usapa seek then it will come at the cost of a few hundred million for the disadvantaged pilots here. Good luck getting Douglas or the APA to write that check but keep hope alive as the majority status the east have enjoyed in order to wrongfully steal is coming to a close and the debt will be paid.

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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
No west pilot will join the mc until doh goes away, u should know that. Actually I stand corrected a couple will interview for the position, that is all I can say. Our experts are the guys that did the Nicolau arbitration, formulated positions, did research made proposals etc. but the east pilots made sure that doh is the only thing usapa mc can negotiate for, idiots.
There is enough wiggle room in the C&BLs to get around DOH. Everyone knows that our C&BLs mean nothing in a merger.

Not joining the MC committee until DOH goes away is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. The coming SLI is bigger than the Nic.

I tell you what. Between DOH and Nic hardliners, the AA pilots have nothing to worry about.
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I see you have trouble understanding. There are no spoils for any victor to get. There was a process that you claim after the fact was flawed yet prior and during you remained silent, wonder why?

The deal with the other carrier fell thru due to SWA and boeing and boeing has been paying the price ever since as we have not ordered any boeing equipment since. Now if you are flying narrow body buses they you are fling aircraft purchased by AWA so dont fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

Now I see you running around these boards claiming flawed process and what looks to be begging for a do over. Let me help to ease your troubled mind with that. If its a do over you and usapa seek then it will come at the cost of a few hundred million for the disadvantaged pilots here. Good luck getting Douglas or the APA to write that check but keep hope alive as the majority status the east have enjoyed in order to wrongfully steal is coming to a close and the debt will be paid.

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I didn't remain silent during the process. I saw how flawed it was with the PI/US and US/Trump merger. I saw how politics worked to change the ALPA merger policy to help certain people. Much like my emails to my Congressmen and Senators, my opinion wasn't listened to and was along for the ride.

History and separate ops have shown how flawed the system was. It's clear as day, you guys just can't admit it. To admit it would take away your righteousness.

I am flying the bus, but AWA paid for NONE of them. AWA is dead, and the part of the company I came with is making the bulk of the profits to pay for the new ones. FACT.

You may be right, I don't know. Your debt might be paid, again I don't know. I don't see it with the current strategy, but if it works I will say you were right.

Now, do you agree with Cacti about not participating in the next SLI process until DOH is gone? BTW, I never thought DOH should have been in the C&BLs.
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