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#501
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Ok lets just be honest here for a moment shall we. So you statement was he gets much greater advancement vs a stand alone. Ok so the very same can be said of that whole merger. The east was dead prior and since has been given new life at the expense of an entire pilot group.
This thing will be over before it starts simply due to the fact that the new company is not going to go on as before nor will the DOJ allow it to merge under those conditions. The company is not going to let itself be sued and the APA will not allow themselves to be held up for years while a court decides that an arbitration is an arbitration. Douglas will finally be forced to act and based on the companies letter to the NMB they know the only out is force the the east into submission and now they have the numbers with the APA to do it.
I am sick of this whole mess and its an embarrassment to even tell people that I work for this outfit. There was an agreement and binding is binding period end of story.
WD at AWA
This thing will be over before it starts simply due to the fact that the new company is not going to go on as before nor will the DOJ allow it to merge under those conditions. The company is not going to let itself be sued and the APA will not allow themselves to be held up for years while a court decides that an arbitration is an arbitration. Douglas will finally be forced to act and based on the companies letter to the NMB they know the only out is force the the east into submission and now they have the numbers with the APA to do it.
I am sick of this whole mess and its an embarrassment to even tell people that I work for this outfit. There was an agreement and binding is binding period end of story.
WD at AWA
Binding is Binding, period. That's some deep thinking. Death is about the only binding thing in this world. Marriages, countries, contracts, and for a few even taxes dissolve. You want you Nicolau bind, but you were pxxxxx about the binding affects of the transition agreement.
#502
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Carl has you nailed. You have such tunnel vision. You see it one way, you spout insults and accusations, yet when called you run for the bushes.
#503
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#504
The east has not been given new life at the your expense. The combined company is MUCH stronger because of the merger. You perceive that you have not shared because you compare it to your false illusion that AWA was going to be able to continue through the worst recession since the depression and skyrocketing fuel prices unscathed. You wouldn't have, and any thinking person can see it. The Nicolau award was a potential windfall for a few senior east pilots and about the bottom 60% of west pilots and the bigger group said "Over my dead body!" It may be over our dead body, we'll see, but so far you guys have done nothing to change it.
Binding is Binding, period. That's some deep thinking. Death is about the only binding thing in this world. Marriages, countries, contracts, and for a few even taxes dissolve. You want you Nicolau bind, but you were pxxxxx about the binding affects of the transition agreement.
Binding is Binding, period. That's some deep thinking. Death is about the only binding thing in this world. Marriages, countries, contracts, and for a few even taxes dissolve. You want you Nicolau bind, but you were pxxxxx about the binding affects of the transition agreement.
Now since we are speculating, whose to say that AWA would not have merged with another carrier? I see you fail to remember that usair was not a first choice but rather a second in AWA's airline merger plans. Its safe to assume had they merged with the first choice usair would have been left to liquidate and the pieces picked off for pennies on the dollar.
Usair has survived and you are piloting aircraft here today for no other reason than that merger so yes you have benefited at our expense. This company has hired pilots since that time some of which are flying as captains today while west pilots 12 and more years senior to them are being held hostage by east mandated greed. This is further evidence of the east benefiting at the expense of an entire pilot group. I am sure you will come up with some self serving excuse to explain the above but the fact still remains.
WD at AWA
#505
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PS this suit is a "declaratory judgement " there is an important distinction there that I am sure you don't get.
#506
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There are no false illusions and everything you have stated is purely speculation. The fact is without a doubt that usair was bankrupt with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. AWA was NOT bankrupt and any statement to the contrary is simply false.
Now since we are speculating, whose to say that AWA would not have merged with another carrier? I see you fail to remember that usair was not a first choice but rather a second in AWA's airline merger plans. Its safe to assume had they merged with the first choice usair would have been left to liquidate and the pieces picked off for pennies on the dollar.
Usair has survived and you are piloting aircraft here today for no other reason than that merger so yes you have benefited at our expense. This company has hired pilots since that time some of which are flying as captains today while west pilots 12 and more years senior to them are being held hostage by east mandated greed. This is further evidence of the east benefiting at the expense of an entire pilot group. I am sure you will come up with some self serving excuse to explain the above but the fact still remains.
WD at AWA
Now since we are speculating, whose to say that AWA would not have merged with another carrier? I see you fail to remember that usair was not a first choice but rather a second in AWA's airline merger plans. Its safe to assume had they merged with the first choice usair would have been left to liquidate and the pieces picked off for pennies on the dollar.
Usair has survived and you are piloting aircraft here today for no other reason than that merger so yes you have benefited at our expense. This company has hired pilots since that time some of which are flying as captains today while west pilots 12 and more years senior to them are being held hostage by east mandated greed. This is further evidence of the east benefiting at the expense of an entire pilot group. I am sure you will come up with some self serving excuse to explain the above but the fact still remains.
WD at AWA
Why didn't Doug merge with that other carrier? Why didn't he let US die. Oh, that's right, he didn't have any money and he got the entire US system, the one that is making most of the money now, for NO MONEY DOWN and easy payments. The money US raised paid off your ATSB loan.
We both worked for also-ran airlines that are much stronger today than they would have been absent the merger. By far the strongest parts came from the US side. It's just the way it is.
Are you piloting aircraft for US Airways? I'm not piloting any aircraft purchased by AWA.
The transition agreement, the one you guys AGREED to, coupled with the Nicolau award led to this. Get over it, you have the legal answer and you're about to get your Nic. What else do you want?
#507
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Again you beasties have it all figured out. The west voted for the mou so we gave up our rights to the Nic. Never mind that the 9th said we had to "ratify" a deal before we can sue. So lets see how you think, we ratify the mou we can't sue, we don't ratify the mou we can't sue. Again the 9th said we had to wait to vote a contract in to sue, now they are going to tell us we can't sue because we voted a contract in? Sounds like you are making the wests case for us, usapa got around the Nic. Our suit is ripe.
PS this suit is a "declaratory judgement " there is an important distinction there that I am sure you don't get.
PS this suit is a "declaratory judgement " there is an important distinction there that I am sure you don't get.
USAPA put out an alternate solution and you guys voted for it.
I know it's a DJ. Would you like for me to go back and review your predictions about the last DJ, and those of your cohorts? I've got a bunch.
If you are so confident in your position, why do you even waste your time trying to convince us? Why not just skip on off to court and not worry about what I or anyone else thinks?
I really don't care about the suits. I'm just throwing you the ball and you retrieve it every time. I do get frustrated with the warped sense of what has happened with our case that you guys try to present.
#508
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nope, usapa said the mou was seniority neutral and didn't address the Nic or doh, fact btw
i stand by my DJ predictions as they were based on Silvers statement she would end the dispute, 2 years later she reverses herself.
I know it's a DJ. Would you like for me to go back and review your predictions about the last DJ, and those of your cohorts? I've got a bunch.
#509
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You were wrong Cacti, just man up and admit it.
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You were wrong Cacti, just man up and admit it.
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