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07-18-2013, 08:43 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
I see two things you did that that would antagonize almost any captain, including you someday: 1) you apparently just spun back his speed without maybe suggesting he may want to slow down first. Excuse me?! Better CRM would have been to suggest that "maybe we should slow down because it's pretty bumpy". Give the guy a chance to make the move on his own. Hell, I'm a captain of MY airplane, and that's the type of suggestion I would make of a first officer during his/her leg. It's just damn rude to spin it down when it's not your leg.
2) Concerning the red cell, did you first suggest that maybe you should ask for a left or right heading away from the cell? If so, did he just ignore you, or offer up a reason why he was planning to penetrate the cell?
CRM goes both ways. You know that. Work as a TEAM. Your actions, at least the way you've described them, strike me as the actions of someone who feels he knows it all, and has to act as the real captain onboard your jet.
2) Concerning the red cell, did you first suggest that maybe you should ask for a left or right heading away from the cell? If so, did he just ignore you, or offer up a reason why he was planning to penetrate the cell?
CRM goes both ways. You know that. Work as a TEAM. Your actions, at least the way you've described them, strike me as the actions of someone who feels he knows it all, and has to act as the real captain onboard your jet.
WD at AWA
07-18-2013, 09:58 AM
#24
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Position: A320 Capt
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
Ok now you see what we have been talking about over here. Many of these guys think they are captains and while I expect or rather insist that people speak up, you can see the east way is just do it because they either were captains at one point or they are entitled to be one now! I would have preferred that a voice had said " there is lighting 12 oclock what do you think? Get us a vector is what I think and thanks cause I did not see it!!! Mod chop here you comfortable with that .80? The buzz word was "you comfortable".
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07-18-2013, 10:34 AM
#25
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Fortunately the ****heads in the 75/767 left seat are the minority however they are more than likely buds with the chief or are check airman, or at least that is the way it worked in ORD. One CKA in particular has a sever Napoleonic complex and loves to ride FO's as I witnessed on a couple of international trips. When asked the FO being checked just shrugged it off, pretty big of him if you ask me. Flew with a captain that actually complied with my stupid, out of sequence request for flap retraction on approach to ORD, at the end of a very long international trip. It was obviously a mistake on my part but instead of questioning me he retracted the flaps, laughed and then asked what I was doing, making me feel embarrassed at first but ****ed off later. But again you are dealing with a guy with an air of arrogance that is obvious to all, yet another bud of the chief.
07-18-2013, 10:51 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: A319/20/21 FO
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The training department at US does a really good job, and the TEM model, use, and instruction are VERY integrated, as the previous poster said. It works pretty darn well. That said, US has its 1%-ers, same as any other airline, that do stupid stuff like has been mentioned by posters in this thread, US, AA, and otherwise.
Don't paint the whole airline on the actions of a few tools. On the whole, I find our pilots at US to be a safe, reasonably efficient, and CRM-conscious group.
Don't paint the whole airline on the actions of a few tools. On the whole, I find our pilots at US to be a safe, reasonably efficient, and CRM-conscious group.
07-18-2013, 06:34 PM
#27
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Position: B777/CA retired
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We used to laugh at the overabundance of the TEM chart but really, most of us use it. If I see a guy getting overloaded I will joke with him and ask if he's "in the green". Makes him feel a lot more comfortable saying "no, I néed moe time".
Years ago at AWA we had a couple of guys who were PHDs in psychology. They set up this elaborate CRM course. We would do a CRM class with the FAs and they would do a profile of each of us based on some questions and then they would assign you an animal code. most pilots were Panthers, F/As were mostly Dolphins, and I forget the other two. It was pretty amusing because if you knew the person it was spot on.
Years ago at AWA we had a couple of guys who were PHDs in psychology. They set up this elaborate CRM course. We would do a CRM class with the FAs and they would do a profile of each of us based on some questions and then they would assign you an animal code. most pilots were Panthers, F/As were mostly Dolphins, and I forget the other two. It was pretty amusing because if you knew the person it was spot on.
07-18-2013, 10:07 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
One guy on a webboard=the east way. Real men of genius. Plus, he explained his actions, adding more information. Have you ever flown with an east pilot?
WD at AWA
07-18-2013, 11:03 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
You know the answer to that and why so lets not get started in on that lack of honor thing. There is not much in the way of explanation needed after he stated what he did. Now as for one guy on a board lets further discuss the east way. I see tons of f/o's in the east dressed in capt jackets but sitting right seat. Oh did you know that AA does NOT allow that?? Only those who are current capts will be allowed to dress as capts. That will not go over to well in the east camp but I kind of think that no one really cares how they feel.
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