80ktsClamp

Must be a legend, then. I had always heard they had a sign like that going into ops in cvg. Must be only AA.

RJtrashPilot

It is very possible that I had my blinders on.

I am often wrong but never in doubt!

savall

Wow. I knew AA had some problems, but I didn't realize there was even a basic breakdown of CRM amongst some crew. Where you coming in from at 4:40 a.m. ?

R57 relay

For the life of me I cannot understand why this bothers you guys. It is one of more bizarre issues you guys have.

It was allowed over here because years ago captains often were displaced to the right seat in the winter. There was no need to keep different jackets and the company doesn't pay for our uniforms. It has nothing to do with ego.

If it wasn't allowed here, it wouldn't be happening. But it is allowed.

You guys have such chips on your shoulders. We have enough issues without making one out of what should be a non-issue.

cubguy

R57
That's one of those things that if you have to explain, he wouldn't understand.
For generations (which he may not even remember) the fourth stripe (at all major airlines) was more than just sitting in the seat, it was EARNED by not just waiting for seniority but by PROVING ones self capable of command.
Yea it sounds a bit dramatic but part of the reason our profession has been dumped on so badly is our own disrespect for what we do.
I suppose he would be happier if displaced Captains wore black athletic shoes, walked around the terminal with ear buds and a backpack!
How low can we go???
CG

Wiskey Driver

I could care less to be completely honest because they are all jr to me! What I am telling you is that at AA it is a no go item!

Now one need look no further to why AAA was such a failure. Training events for seasonal displacements????? In any event no need to rehash all the things that everyone already knows. We need to get ready for the new beginning and you all need to ready yourselves the inevitable, arbitration results are final and binding!

WD at AWA

Wiskey Driver

Like I explained to relay, at AA its a no go item ie they dont care about any of that. I have read the memo which dates back a few years. It states that if you are operating as an f/o you will dress as one. Now I do believe that at one point AA was acceptable what you are speaking however something took place with the Reno air guys that ended it.

WD at AWA

aa73

Guys. 7576 is a great dude and a friend, and he's frustrated like all of us at the direction our once great airline has taken the last 10 years. As such, his posts sometimes reflect that frustration and he tends to vent.

I can assure you his incident was extremely isolated. AA's cockpit culture is up to par with all of the US major airlines, CRM included. I am willing to bet that each and every one of you on this board has flown with a CA at one time or another who was "CRM-challenged." They exist at every airline and it makes for a rough trip.

AA's Human Factors course has dramatically improved over the past few years. Believe it or not, AA was the airline all others looked up to back in the 80s/early 90s as the most standardized cockpits in the industry (hence the name, Sky Nazis.) Even Delta came to AA when they were revamping their cockpit culture after their unfortunate streak of accidents. That is still very much reflected today, and I walk out of Human Factors every 9 months having learned many new things.

Where AA tends to stumble (although it's slowly changing) is in believing they have the best system, and not being receptive to outside ideas/influence. This used to include rejecting Boeing's recommendations and using AA's own "expertise" with regards to aircraft manuals. Again, that has changed, our manuals are now almost 100% Boeing procedures. Other examples include ancestral worship tendencies such as Captains making PAs while taxiing. We are hopeful USAir's influence will change that as well.

Overall, we run a good cockpit and have a very experienced, laid back pilot group, I'm proud to say.

Coming back at 4am is commonplace with Deep South flights returning to Miami. We have quite a few flights that arrive at that time.

7576FO

aa73 gets me! He is right. I'm am venting and a little dramatic at times.

"aa73 is 10 years younger, 3"s taller and a much better dancer!"

We DO NOT have CRM at AA. That is a fact. While the HF human factors class is improving, it is BUNK!

On the 777 everyone i've flown with except 2, was great and exhibited fantastic CRM.



What aa73 does not know, is that for the last 4 weeks I've been working very hard via phone calls and emails to get IOE for new International co-pilots to South America. Right now the company only gives them a 2 day LAX domestic trip and then a 3 London trip. That's it, they are signed off for Carib and South America.
I've taken this to the VP Ops Chief Pilot TWICE, 4 check airmen, pro std's, 2 cheif pilots in MIA, training committees and ground school. And i'm not done.
I've also volunteered to audit the Int'l ground school ON MY DAYS OFF which would entail, non-reving to DFW and footing the hotel bill myself.

In addition i've posted a CRM'ish TO data chart for 777 pilots on our pilot message board.

I don't just post to complain or vent. I do something about it. I've actually suggested since we got rid of the 500' call "On speed, sink 700' "
that perhaps a "Spooled" call might work. Of course that was shot down quickly (pun intended).

I pass on Jepp issues to the Flt Office, and have even had the chiefs ask me to call IT for Jepps.
In 2006 I volunteer for Boeing and Jeppesen in Seattle to fly a 767-400 sim for the moving map technology ON MY DAYS OFF.

BTW back then in Nov 2006 estimates on a spread sheet I saw showed Jan 2007 EFB class 2 (II) savings for 2007 $21 million, too bad it wasn't implemented until Dec. 2012. Thats when i got my IPAD.

Trying to combine a CRM program, I once interrupted the HF class to show a UTUBE vid of a 757 takeoff and fly a downwind with the Capt side window open.

I've made numerous calls to Fatigue lady to try to help pilots on a fleet that I don't even fly anymore.


I'm posting and exchanging ideas and "how it works" reserve procedures wiht USAir pilots to hopefully improve our JBCA in the future.

I encourage ANY AND ALL USAir pilots to message me and ask any questions.



So, I hope that wasn't too Defensive, but I do things, I don't just criticize.
I'm not a person that wants Credit or my name on some hierarchy graph that they use so often at AA.

I am a simple ex-commuter pilot trying to improve things for the next guy.

7576

7576FO

and for the ladies...Yes, 7576FO has all his hair, and yes you could get your fingers stuck in it...if you wanted to.

and we're not talking back hair! Up Top!