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Old 01-11-2014 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by biigD
So, cutting through all the crap - what's the likely end result of this? The way I read it, USAPA gets to submit whatever list it wants to AA, and the west no longer has a voice. I'm guessing this will be DOH (??), but is there a possibility USAPA will staple the west to the bottom just to screw them as much as possible?
Yes, but it also contains the same warning given by a previous judge. Disregarding the Nic could have consequences, especially since USAPA hasn't given a valid reason for doing so. It all might depend how far the east steps over the line. The Nic being the line. Some east posters on here understand that, others think they just won carte blance to screw over the west. That clearly isn't the case.
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Old 01-11-2014 | 12:14 PM
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I sense sour grapes from the Delta contributors...
A FREE word of wisdom. Don't involve your money, or emotions for that matter, in OTHER peoples business. If you cannot VOTE in my county, then stay out of MY district..
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Old 01-11-2014 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 70Espada
Yes, but it also contains the same warning given by a previous judge. Disregarding the Nic could have consequences, especially since USAPA hasn't given a valid reason for doing so. It all might depend how far the east steps over the line. The Nic being the line. Some east posters on here understand that, others think they just won carte blance to screw over the west. That clearly isn't the case.
Even better, she just made new case law that usapa is not allowed at the table once apa takes over.
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Old 01-11-2014 | 12:53 PM
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Even better, she just made new case law that usapa is not allowed at the table once apa takes over.
And you argue APA will establish a new seat for the West when USAPA is excluded.

Quit already. Haven't you guys collected enough donation from gullible pilots?

Name one document that affirms the Nic Award must be used by anyone......
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Old 01-11-2014 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Even better, she just made new case law that usapa is not allowed at the table once apa takes over.
What? You mean we (east/west) are going to be going into a proverbial knife fight with the APA and USAPA may have just handed them a loaded gun??? Weren't you one of the people warning the east that this whole majority rules thing cuts both ways? Oh well, hopefully at some point it will be over and we will be able to move on.

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Old 01-11-2014 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 70Espada
What? You mean we (east/west) are going to be going into a knife fight with the APA and USAPA may have just handed them a loaded gun??? Weren't you one of the people warning the east that this whole majority rules thing cuts both ways? Oh well, hopefully at some point it will be over and we will be able to move on.
Sure, Judge Silver just "ruled" that the APA will be the sole agent to determine the seniority of all pilots, despite the fact it was the APA that gave rise to the MB statute.
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Old 01-11-2014 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
And you argue APA will establish a new seat for the West when USAPA is excluded.

Quit already. Haven't you guys collected enough donation from gullible pilots?

Name one document that affirms the Nic Award must be used by anyone......
Einstein, the apa is free to give east/west their own autonomous committees.
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Old 01-11-2014 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Einstein, the apa is free to give east/west their own autonomous committees.
Did you read that in a Leonidas update?

Name one document affirming the Nic must be used by anyone.... still waiting.... Can't click on "Donate for Marty's Benz" until I get it..
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Old 01-11-2014 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
Sure, Judge Silver just "ruled" that the APA will be the sole agent to determine the seniority of all pilots, despite the fact it was the APA that gave rise to the MB statute.
That's exactly what just happened. Silver took usapa at their word, only the legal bargaining agent is allowed at the table and can do anything they want with the companies concurrence. The minute apa takes over usapa is removed from the process.
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Old 01-11-2014 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
Sure, Judge Silver just "ruled" that the APA will be the sole agent to determine the seniority of all pilots, despite the fact it was the APA that gave rise to the MB statute.
Shoot, why not? I mean if USAPA can determine the seniority of AWA and US pilots, why not?
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