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09-11-2014, 10:34 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by oncloud
As stand alone Carriers, EVERYTHING a Pilot gets is based on his "relative seniority" within the company.
Weekends off, Christmas vacations, getting off of reserve, upgrading to Captain...the list goes on.
Slotting someone in as you say is trying to give relief for a stagnant career at the Original US Airways and your back to the same thing as DOH.
Y'all remember when United and US Airways were going to merge? United had 2 year upgraded Captains on their United Shuttle Ops...that would have been even uglier than this merger.
Ask the US Airway guys how their career was going before the merger.
In defense of the East gents they should of had fences for their international AND widebody flying for say 10-15 years.
I too am experiencing stagnation..probably be an FO for 25-30 years due to 2 mergers/acquisitions/buyouts....so I can definitely empathize with them!...but I/you also have to keep it real
Weekends off, Christmas vacations, getting off of reserve, upgrading to Captain...the list goes on.
Slotting someone in as you say is trying to give relief for a stagnant career at the Original US Airways and your back to the same thing as DOH.
Y'all remember when United and US Airways were going to merge? United had 2 year upgraded Captains on their United Shuttle Ops...that would have been even uglier than this merger.
Ask the US Airway guys how their career was going before the merger.
In defense of the East gents they should of had fences for their international AND widebody flying for say 10-15 years.
I too am experiencing stagnation..probably be an FO for 25-30 years due to 2 mergers/acquisitions/buyouts....so I can definitely empathize with them!...but I/you also have to keep it real
I say take what you have the day of the merger, run it out with the fleet and list on a stovepipe basis until everyone has retired, then put the list back together so that the most people as possible hit certain gateways for the rest of their careers.
As far as UA goes, it's funny that back then they didn't want the term DOH uttered, but it was kind of important with CO.
09-11-2014, 10:53 AM
#143
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Seems like I've heard this somewhere else, before ... many years ago. 
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09-11-2014, 11:06 AM
#144
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
You heard wrong. The US/AW mess was never done until the MOU because the condition for moving on never met-a JCBA.
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09-11-2014, 11:47 AM
#145
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Originally Posted by oncloud
As stand alone Carriers, EVERYTHING a Pilot gets is based on his "relative seniority" within the company.
Weekends off, Christmas vacations, getting off of reserve, upgrading to Captain...the list goes on.
Slotting someone in as you say is trying to give relief for a stagnant career at the Original US Airways and your back to the same thing as DOH.
Y'all remember when United and US Airways were going to merge? United had 2 year upgraded Captains on their United Shuttle Ops...that would have been even uglier than this merger.
Ask the US Airway guys how their career was going before the merger.
In defense of the East gents they should of had fences for their international AND widebody flying for say 10-15 years.
I too am experiencing stagnation..probably be an FO for 25-30 years due to 2 mergers/acquisitions/buyouts....so I can definitely empathize with them!...but I/you also have to keep it real
Weekends off, Christmas vacations, getting off of reserve, upgrading to Captain...the list goes on.
Slotting someone in as you say is trying to give relief for a stagnant career at the Original US Airways and your back to the same thing as DOH.
Y'all remember when United and US Airways were going to merge? United had 2 year upgraded Captains on their United Shuttle Ops...that would have been even uglier than this merger.
Ask the US Airway guys how their career was going before the merger.
In defense of the East gents they should of had fences for their international AND widebody flying for say 10-15 years.
I too am experiencing stagnation..probably be an FO for 25-30 years due to 2 mergers/acquisitions/buyouts....so I can definitely empathize with them!...but I/you also have to keep it real
P.S. The beasties refuse to admit that the 2005 merger is the reason we both exist today, for some reason the believe their success is independent of the 2005 merger.
Last edited by cactiboss; 09-11-2014 at 12:22 PM.
09-11-2014, 12:19 PM
#147
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[QUOTE=cactiboss;1725093 Nicolau decided that the furloughed usairways guys had no reasonable expectation of returning to usairways given the companies position at the time of merger.[/QUOTE]
Something he could not know with facts on hand.
Something he could not know with facts on hand.
09-11-2014, 01:15 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Something he could not know with facts on hand.
Awa 1q 2005
America West Reports First Quarter Results 20.04.2005 | Nachricht | finanzen.net
Usairways 1q 2005
A Tough Quarter for US Airways (washingtonpost.com)
Facts, something easties don't believe in.
Last edited by cactiboss; 09-11-2014 at 01:27 PM.
09-11-2014, 03:56 PM
#149
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Those were the facts in 2005 as testified to by experts and backed by public filings. Everything that happened after the 2005 merger is because of the merger not in spite of it as you like to believe.
Awa 1q 2005
America West Reports First Quarter Results 20.04.2005 | Nachricht | finanzen.net
Usairways 1q 2005
A Tough Quarter for US Airways (washingtonpost.com)
Facts, something easties don't believe in.
Awa 1q 2005
America West Reports First Quarter Results 20.04.2005 | Nachricht | finanzen.net
Usairways 1q 2005
A Tough Quarter for US Airways (washingtonpost.com)
Facts, something easties don't believe in.
2005 US Airways was off to a bad start before the reverse acquisition. A $611 million loss and the need for $250 million from outside investors.
For the year, the airline's loss was $611 million
US Airways plans to emerge from its current bankruptcy proceedings by June 30. The airline recently obtained more than $1 billion in pay and benefit cuts from its workers. It also needs about $250 million from outside investors for exit financing
757 really? needs to check the facts before he posts his propaganda. He's got to know that people have access to the truth by clicking on it. He certainly is not credible.
09-11-2014, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Frisco727
I read both articles. It backs up what I read in the SEC filings and comments from the arbitration.
2005 US Airways was off to a bad start before the reverse acquisition. A $611 million loss and the need for $250 million from outside investors.
For the year, the airline's loss was $611 million
US Airways plans to emerge from its current bankruptcy proceedings by June 30. The airline recently obtained more than $1 billion in pay and benefit cuts from its workers. It also needs about $250 million from outside investors for exit financing
757 really? needs to check the facts before he posts his propaganda. He's got to know that people have access to the truth by clicking on it. He certainly is not credible.
2005 US Airways was off to a bad start before the reverse acquisition. A $611 million loss and the need for $250 million from outside investors.
For the year, the airline's loss was $611 million
US Airways plans to emerge from its current bankruptcy proceedings by June 30. The airline recently obtained more than $1 billion in pay and benefit cuts from its workers. It also needs about $250 million from outside investors for exit financing
757 really? needs to check the facts before he posts his propaganda. He's got to know that people have access to the truth by clicking on it. He certainly is not credible.
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