R57 relay

Victim mentality. West pilot had choices and made them. Accept that and move on.

R57 relay

Purchased? AWA didn't have the money to purchase anything. It was a merger and US had more cash, aircraft and routes than AWA.

Should a guy in indoc get everything before a guy with 17 years moving forward? The separate ops since 2007 have shown how f'ed up Nic was. The majority of what was left of US came from the east.

That said, I agree that a DOH list wasn't the answer to the problem.

cactiboss

There you go, it's the west's fault. Scum

cactiboss

Every west Fo, every west downgrade and every west furlough has suffered irreparable career damage at the hands of union busting east pilots. You successfully shifted your crappy career into the west pilots backs you scum.

P.S. At least for the last 9 years every west pilot has made more money, gotten more vacation and better scheduling rules.

cactiboss

Numb nuts, "since 2007" happen because there was a merger in "2005"

Gomerglideslope

Wow, really? So is that your "out"?... That's why you need not be bound by previously agreed to binding arbitration?...I don't have a dog in that fight, but that seems pretty slimy.

Hueypilot

I honestly don't see why guys like him couldn't have gotten SOME credit for LOS and been slotted in with your FOs. The bottom guys at both airlines should have been...well, at the bottom still. Having a more fair award still would have resulted in him being slotted with guys that had probably half the time at AWA, but he would have still held a position somewhat similar to where he stood previously.

I had no idea what the "Nic" was until about a year ago and when I took a look at it I was pretty certain it was a fairly one-sided awarded for the most part. Granted, there were East guys slotted above everyone, but when it got towards the bottom it appeared to have the wheels come off the cart.

Now, this is only my opinion...it isn't going to affect what happened nor will it affect anything going forward. And again, I can understand the frustration and anger towards all the legal maneuvering that stalled everyone's careers in the long run. I guess, bottom line, is I can see both side's arguments and frustrations...and given that both sides appear (to me at least) to have legitimate grips over how the whole 7-year debacle has played out, it's time to move forward and get it done on a more level playing field...that's the ideal result, anyway.

Frisco727

US had more cash? Before or after the reverse acquisition?

I was on to this guy a few months ago. All I had to do was check his facts and they don't add up.

US Airways Outlines Time Frame for Possible Liquidation
By Keith L. Alexander
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 27, 2004; Page A20
US Airways faces a "high probability" of liquidation by mid-February if the temporary pay cuts it requested are not approved by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court.
It was the first time since the Arlington-based airline filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Sept. 12 that it publicly gave a time frame for a possible liquidation. This possibility was raised in a filing Friday.


The SEC filing says it was a reverse acquisition.
Item 7.
Management’s Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations

Background

The merger has been accounted for as a reverse acquisition using the purchase method of accounting. As a result, although the merger was structured such that America West Holdings became a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways Group, America West Holdings was treated as the acquiring company for accounting purposes due to the following factors: (1) America West Holdings’ stockholders received the largest share of US Airways Group’s common stock in the merger in comparison to unsecured creditors of US Airways Group; (2) America West Holdings received a larger number of designees to the board of directors; and (3) America West Holdings’ Chairman and Chief Executive Officer prior to the merger became the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the combined company. As a result of the reverse acquisition, the 2005 consolidated statement of operations for the new US Airways Group presented in this report is comprised of the results of America West Holdings for the 269 days through September 27, 2005 and consolidated results of US Airways Group for the 96 days from September 27, 2005 through December 31, 2005. The results of operations for fiscal years 2004 and 2003 are those of America West Holdings

Company Overview

As of September 27, 2005, US Airways Group, Inc. was acquired by America West Holdings Corp. in a reverse merger transaction. US Airways Group, Inc., through its subsidiaries, operates a network air carrier. Its subsidiary, US Airways, Inc. (US Airways) engages in the transportation of passengers, property, and mail. As of December 31, 2004, its subsidiary operated 281 jet aircraft and 22 regional jet aircraft; and provided scheduled service at 89 airports in the continental United States, Canada, Mexico, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Ireland, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and the Caribbean.

oncloud

From a pilot's perspective as it relates to the merging of seniority lists does it really matter if it was a purchase, merger or acquisition? it only matters to the person or pilot group that is trying to get an unfair advantage or unfair footing over the other pilot group.
You are forgetting that most if not all the damage that occurred to the US Airways pilots careers occurred before America West showed up.

R57 relay

I give you exhibit A, one of those guys that doesn't know what he is talking about.

The very first AGREEMENT was that no SLI would be implemented without a JCBA. PERIOD. Not "if those mean old guys don't agree with it", not "if we don't want it that way", if there was no JCBA SEPARATE OPS. What's do damn hard to figure out with this?

The east pilots decided it wasn't worth the paultry raise of the Kirby contract to accept the Nic. The west guys decided that it wasn't worth giving an inch on the Nic to get the paultry Kirby contract proposal. That's the way it was until other events intervened.