R57 relay

I made a straw man argument? Really?

I SHOWED that AWA was not in a stable position, backed up with data and the word of the guy running the place. None of you can refute it, you just argue that everything would have been great, with AWA on a constant upward projection. I admit that US was in trouble, you guys cannot admit the obvious about AWA.

I don't talk to my F/Os about it much. They aren't too interested in the past, as they are too busy planning their future.

My posts seem to be getting to you as you are keeping track of my posts and time spent here.

GrapeNuts

3,497 posts- you're like a parrot around here. Lol

Hueypilot

First off, most of us "east copilots" are Third-Listers that don't really have much to lose or gain in the argument. We just hold our own third-party opinions on the matter. R57s exhaustive APC posts really don't sway my opinion, and I doubt it plays much of a role in many of the others. I'm smart enough to see the situation for what it is and with that said it's in the best interest of both the east and west to start from scratch and come up with a workable solution.

Second, we might be new to the company but we aren't new to aviation, but thanks for the attempt to write us off as clueless morons. It's time to bury this east/west thing.

R57 relay

Frisco,

I've asked the question, but no one took a bite at it. Maybe you know. I'd come to believe that the APA would just wait until SCS then appoint a west merger committee. Any idea why they didn't?

It's funny that the west cries about the law and cacti likes to talk about the east striking for Nicolau then not accepting his decision(true). But the west has tried and failed twice with Silver(they requested her this time, I believe) but doesn't want to take her word.

"Meaning of McCaskill-Bond
With the limited amount of guidance from CAB, and the parties offering no other legal authority or materials that might help illuminate Congressional intent, the Court is left to arrive at the meaning of McCaskill-Bond on its own. Section 3 requires carriers provide a “fair and equitable” integration process. And Section 13 requires arbitration between “the organization or organizations representing the employee or employees.” The Court is persuaded this statutory text should be interpreted in harmony with those CAB decisions allowing participation only by the employees’ certified representatives. When a certified representative exists, that representative owes a duty of fair representation to all employees.
A “fair and equitable” integration process will involve that representative acting on behalf of the represented employees. And when a certified bargaining representative exists, introducing an independent group, such as the West Pilots, would “interfere with the established representation format” and also “tamper with and inevitably complicate the
procedures used to negotiate seniority list integration.” In addition, allowing the involvement of any employee or group of employees with sufficiently distinct interests would be an invitation to chaos; the seniority
integration process cannot accommodate the participation of whoever might be affected by the final result. Therefore, the process contemplated by McCaskill-Bond allows only the certified bargaining representatives to participate in seniority integration proceedings."

The west pilots point out that Judge Silver said that SCS, USAPA would have not rights. Could it be that the APA's and company's attorneys disagreed with that point? In any case, all party agreed with USAPA's participation, not with the west's.

R57 relay

They are getting to you, aren't they nuts?

Now 3,498 and you haven't been able to refute a single one.

flybywire44

I literally just glossed over the last couple pages.

I could not detect any new information that has not already been discussed ad infinitem.

Again and again, same way circular discussions... :roll eyes:

cactiboss

Start over? As a third lister do you believe the west shouild start from dec 2013 positions or september 2005 positions?

cactiboss

That is a simple and easy one, the NMB and TWA pilot Hoglander withholding SCS/certification until APA made a deal. The same exact reason the uscaba BPR voted for a deal that would give the west a "chance" at representing themselves, pressure from the NMB in the form of decertification without a deal.

Hueypilot

I think most 3rd list guys would agree that using 2005 positions while also giving credit for LOS (to avoid completely trashing the furloughed guys careers) would be fair. It's not the Nic, but it's also not DOH. And yes, it's basically going back to the drawing board WRT an east/west combined list.

GrapeNuts

Frisco, quit teasing... We'll get 3500 any minute now