So just out of curiosity, you are of the opinion the arbitrators will start from the dec. 2013 positions and give no credit to what has transpired since 2005?

 

How American Airlines Could Inherit US Airways' Seven-Year Old Pilot Seniority Battle - Forbes

 

That's my guess, but my 10% chance of using the NIC comes from the fact that US pilots had the expectation of being merged-one day. Does the MOU mean a complete do over? What happens to 3rd listers? Do they go strictly by what is in front of them today, or consider the events of the last 8 years? How does constructive notice apply to 3rd listers down?

Hard questions that the board will have to work hard on. The MOU was an interesting document that I was surprised you guys voted yes for. Even more so after I heard your strategy. I thought it was very risky.

We'll see. I wouldn't make a bet on any scenario. I've been through 3 SLI arbitrations, but that hardly makes me an expert. I will say that the arbitrators seem to deal with the facts in front of them. Even though I thought Nicolau had the latitude to do better, ALPA merger policy had a major impact on his decision. MB seems pretty vague and the MOU and PA add some twists and turns.

 

Can any body show me a third list at airways, because I have looked and have only found one. thanks

 

I'm guessing that's sarcasm? Not sure.

Not sure where you found one, two(east and west) are in use and are the staus quo. Third list are embedded in both, those hired after US/AW merger.

Just in case you were serious.

 

I agree that both East and West had the expectation to be merged one day absent the AA merger. But when? It's already been over 8 years. Was it imminent? I don't think so. My guess is it would have had to wait quite a few more years until the West outnumbered the East due to East retirements. And at that point, the Nic really wouldn't be much of anything because most of the East would be gone anyway.

The arbitrators will have to go strictly by what's in front of them, as that's the way the PA reads. The US/AWA 3rd listers do present an interesting scenario that wasn't addressed in the PA. My guess is they will be merged based on their position on the list they are on today. That wasn't the way it was planned to happen, but that's what it is now since the MOU nullified the East/West TA. Just my opinion...

 

The PA doesn't read that way, actually it reads the exact opposite. I think the 3rd lister mess is one of the reasons the Nic. order fixes the issues easily.

 

We have to get a seat first, not surprisingly I see it completely different. lol

 

This thread suddenly seems to have taken a more civil tone. Kudos to both sides for disagreeing but not turning it into bashing! Makes it easier to read.

 

"...Impose a badly flawed seniority list, or abandon a binding arbitration..."

Sounds like a crapshoot.