EMBFlyer

So the $700 (financing available) ties "For Justice" are there to fund a Disneyland outing?

InformationEcho

Saw this on another board,

Besides, USAPA isnt going to ask for DOH. The BPR meeting took the cuffs off the C&B the other day and now the merger committee can provide evidence that the East pilots deserve BETTER than DOH over the APA.

What is better than DOH and why is USAPA thinking they are deserving of better than that?

R57 relay

That's one pilots opinion and I'm pretty sure it was just to flame. The context was that USAPA was not bound to DOH and it isn't and never really was.

Frisco727

That's interesting. Can you provide a link?

Sure it was, slick. Was it one pilot's opinion to cheat the America West pilots with the arbitration you agreed? I guess you were not bound to that either.

Hueypilot

"Better than DOH". Considering that many lUS pilots have been around as long as or longer than many lAA pilots, I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. So...staple the APA guys below lUS pilots? I see THAT happening... (<--- note sarcasm)

Again, I think too many of you get too wrapped up in what you read on the interwebs. Yes...be aware of what's going on. But as someone already said, I think that statement doesn't represent what the vast majority US Airways pilots would expect in any SLI. Every captain I've flown with is hoping for a fair blending of the lists to account for LOS and other factors. For those of us hired after the merger was announced, we pretty much expect a straight DOH for most of us.

R57 relay

I know the author slick, do you? I probably did use the wrong term with "flame" as I don't think that was his intention, but it was in response to a west guy and and his interpretation of what the BPR did. I don't think it's taking the gloves off, it's not allowing the C&BLs loose language tie the merger committees hands.

As far as the Nic goes, you really should keep up. The MOU we all agreed to abandoned the never implemented SLI. And those aren't my words slick, they are the Army of Leonidas', in Addington II. It's all available for you at cactuspilot.com if you would like to educate yourself, but I have a feeling that you are adverse to that type of thing.

The MOU and PA finish this. We compromised, as we should have a long time ago. It's up to two panels of arbitrators now. With a few lawyers thrown in for old time sake.

R57 relay

Anytime you take a web board post from one pilot as an indication of the entire groups thought, you are headed for disaster.

DOH does not serve many parts of the US seniority list well, it hasn't been used in decades that I know of, and tying the hands of the merger committee can lead to disaster. I took the update to mean that the merger committee has been tasked to look at any and all options to try and come up with a fair solution.

Many people think that the USAPA C&BLs required the use of DOH. It never did. It called for the use of DOH principles which is a vague term that can mean a lot of things, but in general it means that your time worked should mean something.

Hueypilot

I agree in principle that time put in with a company should be honored. I had a friend from ground school who was hired at Piedmont just before they announced the merger with USAir in 1989. He got hired at a bustling airline that was doing well, and expected to have a decent career.

Fast forward to today, and he's been an FO his entire career and furloughed twice. He was significantly below the "new guy" at AWA, and he felt that Nicolau basically threw out his entire career and all the work he put in towards the airline, and I can fully understand how he feels.

At the same time, I can understand how some at AWA were resentful that a "deal" that was supposedly made was then not implemented, through whatever legal maneuvering that was done. I can understand from their perspective that they feel cheated and it "stalled" their careers, and in fact one guy lamented in another board how USAPA "destroyed" his career. But comparing the two, it's hard to say the Nic would have been fair from the perspective of the ex-Piedmont guy as well.

I think everyone should just take a step back and hope for a much better do-over. This is our chance to "make it right" and put the pieces back together. That's my opinion, from an ex-military guy who wasn't on either side during the past drama...

FreighterGuyNow

Call your attention to paragraph #3

Frisco727

The Nic is your problem. You are the ones getting lawsuits thrown at you by the America West Pilots to this day. USAPA withheld information from the APA which shows a certain character trait, slick. Now, you want to pull the same stunts with the APA? How about brushing up on the APA updates.

Seniority Integration Protocol: The Facts

posted on June 23, 2014 17:23
To be blunt, USAPA's version of events is fiction. USAPA leadership specifically and directly solicited this latest protocol proposal from the Seniority Integration Committee. USAPA's merger counsel was also briefed on the likely content of the protocol document several days before receipt. USAPA's abject failure to communicate these facts erodes the very foundation of trust necessary for any further negotiations. It is now apparent to us, just as it was to Judge Silver in the Addington v. USAPA DFR decision, that USAPA is using these tactics, including reneging on its bargain under the MOU and litigating the McCaskill-Bond process in court, with the express goal of delaying the NMB single-carrier finding.

You aren't doing a very good job of pulling the wool over my eyes or Neil's for that matter. You certainly don't deserve better than DOH over the APA.

Nice try on the damage control because I am not buying it.