So many choices to divert to would certainly confuse us.

 

Yes relay I'M SERIOUS. Please read TA 9 were Richard Block said there is NO third list!!! just one east list and one west list. USAPA came up with the slang term 3rd List. It's just a name and another way to divide our pilot group. The point I am trying to make here is that usapa has done more to alienate the pilots hired after 2005 at usairways east than have done to help them. By dividing the seniority list the way usapa has done has only hurt everyone by keeping everyone fighting rather than bring us together to get something good accomplished. That's why you can't get a constitutional vote or enough people interested to vote for a change in the usapa constitution and by-laws.

I know that APA has one list. They don't have a AA list and an Eagle List, a third or fourth list etc.... they have one list that they are going to present to the arbitrator. We have how many????

 

All of us 3rd listers know its not a real list. But the name is 3rd listers and will continue to be so. There ARE 3rd listers at east and west, regardless of numbers.

Why would you bring up an eagle list? Those guys have their own separate seniority list and company. Eagle isn't being merged here.

 

He is talking about Eagle flows to AA.

 

That was actually pretty funny! Bravo!

 

Eagle flows on property or eagle flows at eagle? People are never clear on this.

 

Obviously the Eagle flows on property at whatever snapshot date is set, guys at Eagle prior to that date, even if scheduled to flow, would not be included on a list up to that date.

 

I've read it. It made wonder why USAPA reordered the west furloughed that came east. But, I thought you said US had one list. The west is US too.

I also know the term 3rd list is internal, but the understanding was that those hired after the US/AW merger would all go below hired prior to the merger, from both sides. Will the MOU and PA change all that? Is that null and void too? I don't know.

Did you see my post where I asked west pilots if they saw any pitfalls going into this separately? That's the main one I was wondering about.

 

I'm thinking the "3rd list" from the US/AWA merger may not be taken into consideration as 3rd listers. I believe that they will be considered part of the list they are on. I know that's not how it was supposed to happen, but it's really kinda tied to the Nic. The TA that created the Nic also defined how the "3rd listers" would be dealt with. Well, that TA is null. That nullifies the Nic as well as the 3rd list provisions.

When the East presents their singular list, it will contain a tremendous number of 3rd listers in EVERY aircraft type from 190 Captain to 330 FO. Those pilots, and the positions they occupy, are needed on the East list during integration.

I think the real "3rd list" pilots will be defined once the merger committees decide on a "constructive notice" date. Those pilots hired after that date will go in their proper order regardless whether they are at AA or the East or the West.

 

They have clearly stated that they have no role as CBA except the merger committee. They are staying in business(trying) to finish the lawsuits. AOL is appealing their loss. Shouldn't USAPA be able to answer that?