Originally Posted by Hueypilot

At some point, the flows will have to give...if pressure remains on the regionals to keep recruiting, they won't be able to let that many flow and avoid shrinking. I think Centerline is right...spring things should be looking more favorable for OTS hires.

We've got a guy in my reserve unit who's an Envoy pilot. They are telling him he'll flow in 4-5 years. I told him that's probably optimistic, at best.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

You would be seriously mistaken believing this.

There are throngs of Envoy pilots believing just about anything they are told, especially if it is sweet enough. In fact, Envoy has at least one ALPA rep and several other questionable characters on this forum actively selling Envoy based on the most optimistic projections, temporary positive changes and slick ads. It's really gotten quite pathetic both in the willingness to promote such nonsense and the willingness to believe it. I guess each new generation of pilots simply must make their own mistakes and get burned. The saddest part is that this particular mistake has been made repeatedly in the past and either the present crop are too clueless to notice it or have embraced denial to such a point, they are unwilling to accept it.

It also seems there will always be a handful of misguided and self-serving pilots more than willing to exacerbate this dysfunction by happily dragging others down this primrose path.

Originally Posted by whiskeyhatch

Wow! I just thought that the constant beat-down, the incessant antagonism, the misinformation, the creative contract interpretations, etc. would quickly suck all hope from the most cheerful optimist. I didn't want to hijack this thread but I'm rather shocked to hear this. Thank you.

Originally Posted by sublime259

Something to remember is that as long as the class sizes for the month are 60 or less, at least 50% will be from envoy. They can send more as they have been doing, but there can be no "give" below 50%.

Originally Posted by Hueypilot

I get that, but right now flows and furloughs are taking up 90-100% of the classes. 30+ a month for OTS bubbas would be a marked improvement.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

You would be seriously mistaken believing this.

There are throngs of Envoy pilots believing just about anything they are told, especially if it is sweet enough. In fact, Envoy has at least one ALPA rep and several other questionable characters on this forum actively selling Envoy based on the most optimistic projections, temporary positive changes and slick ads. It's really gotten quite pathetic both in the willingness to promote such nonsense and the willingness to believe it. I guess each new generation of pilots simply must make their own mistakes and get burned. The saddest part is that this particular mistake has been made repeatedly in the past and either the present crop are too clueless to notice it or have embraced denial to such a point, they are unwilling to accept it.

It also seems there will always be a handful of misguided and self-serving pilots more than willing to exacerbate this dysfunction by happily dragging others down this primrose path.

Originally Posted by TOGAANG

I'm pretty sure AA did not shut down training for October but has anyone heard of any dates for the two classes. Seems NO one knows.