Good perspective from former APA President
#31
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...American Airlines CEO Doug Parker did state at a recent crew meeting in Charlotte that the JCBA might remain available to our pilots after the arbitration pending approval by the company’s board of directors, so it’s conceivable we could eventually choose between the JCBA and the arbitrators’ ruling. That’s assuming our board of directors would be willing to reconsider the same deal. I won’t venture a prediction there...

#32

Sorry Mr. Rogers, I came from the side of US that voted for the mediocre contract that became the best work rules in the industry. You know, the one that made payroll for you.
The east has always painted themselves into a corner such that they really had no choice. Avoiding reality will do that to you.
So realize that the injunction, the endless court drama, the abandonment of union principles got you to the point where you bent over and had the MOU inserted. Now you pretend that you can vanquish Parker by turning down a vote which leads to a rigged arbitration.
He's never going to take you seriously. Maybe you should show him what you think of his LBFO and go to JetBlue.
The east has always painted themselves into a corner such that they really had no choice. Avoiding reality will do that to you.
So realize that the injunction, the endless court drama, the abandonment of union principles got you to the point where you bent over and had the MOU inserted. Now you pretend that you can vanquish Parker by turning down a vote which leads to a rigged arbitration.
He's never going to take you seriously. Maybe you should show him what you think of his LBFO and go to JetBlue.
#33
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This is the guy that STRIPPED his own pilots of leverage with one robocall just as it was becoming effective and upsetting his pals at Centreport.
His F/O isn't any better. It's also another example of why I expect the hangover in 2020 to especially vicious to the yes voters who think anything will be different then.
#34
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Yo Birdman, don't get me wrong, a yes vote is not doom and gloom, it's just not the best course of action for the future. I am happy here working 15 days a month, I just don't want to work any more days per month and will not.
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It will actually be quite entertaining I think, but a new tack for me to become the next Texaspilot2020.

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#37
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Either way, I'm cool with that. If someone can convince me that the same game won't be played agin, I might change my mind, but I don't see us having any weapons of leverage to bargain with. This junior and/or younger might think differently, but they'll have to carry the water next time and I think the majority of 57-64 year olds (the majority of pilots then) will prefer their own exit contract just like Keith and Neil do now.
Just my .02.........
#38

DC-You still don't get it. This pilot group is not in a position to chart it's own future. That has been destroyed by a decade of infighting on one side and a near death experience on the other. Whether you realize it or not you are standing knee deep in a shambles during the best negotiating environment in a generation.
When you come to grips with that, you'll understand why I am so p---ed at what USAPA did. Had we shown real leadership we would have been a force to reckon with when this merger was being crafted. The MOU would have shredded the green book and replaced it with what would have been an industry leading contract from the US side. When Parker wanted AA he would have had to court the US pilots heavily - that was the last time we would have had leverage. But the east squandered that opportunity because they were too short sighted. Parker has telegraphed every move he's ever made by at least a year. USAPA preferred to pretend to be a union and tell the east pilots they were protecting them when in fact a full implementation of the Nic would have delayed their upgrades by less than 9 months an average. Thus we were relegated to irrelevance in the vote on the MOU.
If you don't like the JCBA thank Bradford, Cleary, McKee and all the east pilots that allowed the erosion of unity that enabled it's birth. Just quit pretending a NO vote gains you anything. Only unity will do that.
When you come to grips with that, you'll understand why I am so p---ed at what USAPA did. Had we shown real leadership we would have been a force to reckon with when this merger was being crafted. The MOU would have shredded the green book and replaced it with what would have been an industry leading contract from the US side. When Parker wanted AA he would have had to court the US pilots heavily - that was the last time we would have had leverage. But the east squandered that opportunity because they were too short sighted. Parker has telegraphed every move he's ever made by at least a year. USAPA preferred to pretend to be a union and tell the east pilots they were protecting them when in fact a full implementation of the Nic would have delayed their upgrades by less than 9 months an average. Thus we were relegated to irrelevance in the vote on the MOU.
If you don't like the JCBA thank Bradford, Cleary, McKee and all the east pilots that allowed the erosion of unity that enabled it's birth. Just quit pretending a NO vote gains you anything. Only unity will do that.
#39

If you're one of those you'll just get mad.
I agree with him that the only viable vote is YES, but he didn't need to remind the folks who were thrown under the bus to get it.
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And the worst part is, the Internet heroes will be lining up once again to give give give all the while justifying everything with statements like "take the emotion out of it" "we will get them in 2030" etc.
I am not clairvoyant, I just look to the past. This is why it is so important for HR to do the hiring, they know exactly the type of pilot they want. they get the same results over and over again.
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