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Old 01-23-2015, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bringupthebird View Post
Just don't read it if you're a reserve or a person married to someone who may need medical care or an international pilot or any other "parochial" special interest.

If you're one of those you'll just get mad.

I agree with him that the only viable vote is YES, but he didn't need to remind the folks who were thrown under the bus to get it.
Just clicked LIKE to your post, losing it :-)
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Old 01-23-2015, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by fr8tmastr View Post
It will be much different then... All time RECORD PROFITS will be gone, and management will be telling us not only can they not give us back any of our work rules they actually need some of the cash back as well. But in order to take as little back as possible, they could make due if they only had some more scope relief.

And the worst part is, the Internet heroes will be lining up once again to give give give all the while justifying everything with statements like "take the emotion out of it" "we will get them in 2030" etc.

I am not clairvoyant, I just look to the past. This is why it is so important for HR to do the hiring, they know exactly the type of pilot they want. they get the same results over and over again.
I agree. The past is so consistent, the future can't miss. If it passes on Feb. 1, I couldn't care less what happens at AA or to this pilot group. Over the next 5 years, I plan to take advantage of the new shiny $$$ to maximize my personal position so as to be in a position to not need AA by 2020. I've crunched the numbers and 80 hours month at group II F/O gets me there. Group III or IV even better so that time is simply gravy, although I don't think I'll venture into Group IV. I'll plan to stay longer of course, but it is peaceful to know you can walk away at any time.

If this whole disaster is to reinforce one concept in 7 days, it's that we really aren't a union or association, but 13,000 independent contractors and that's EXACTLY what Doug, Scott and Jerry want out of this deal. I plan to send them all an email congratulating them on achieving exactly that.
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Old 01-23-2015, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
I agree. The past is so consistent, the future can't miss. If it passes on Feb. 1, I couldn't care less what happens at AA or to this pilot group. Over the next 5 years, I plan to take advantage of the new shiny $$$ to maximize my personal position so as to be in a position to not need AA by 2020. I've crunched the numbers and 80 hours month at group II F/O gets me there. Group III or IV even better so that time is simply gravy, although I don't think I'll venture into Group IV. I'll plan to stay longer of course, but it is peaceful to know you can walk away at any time.

If this whole disaster is to reinforce one concept in 7 days, it's that we really aren't a union or association, but 13,000 independent contractors and that's EXACTLY what Doug, Scott and Jerry want out of this deal. I plan to send them all an email congratulating them on achieving exactly that.
This is my plan too.
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Old 01-24-2015, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
I agree. The past is so consistent, the future can't miss. If it passes on Feb. 1, I couldn't care less what happens at AA or to this pilot group. Over the next 5 years, I plan to take advantage of the new shiny $$$ to maximize my personal position so as to be in a position to not need AA by 2020. I've crunched the numbers and 80 hours month at group II F/O gets me there. Group III or IV even better so that time is simply gravy, although I don't think I'll venture into Group IV. I'll plan to stay longer of course, but it is peaceful to know you can walk away at any time.

If this whole disaster is to reinforce one concept in 7 days, it's that we really aren't a union or association, but 13,000 independent contractors and that's EXACTLY what Doug, Scott and Jerry want out of this deal. I plan to send them all an email congratulating them on achieving exactly that.
So... so just I get this straight... if the pilot group democratically votes yes on a JCBA that pays out a lot of money now in exchange for a few contentious and debatable provisions, that the Negotiating Committee and the President of the the Union and significant portion of the 22 member BOD recommend that they vote yes on, then at that point you will "not care" what happens to the rest of the pilot group because they have no unity (presumably unity, to you, means voting the way you prefer). Then you will take the money that they voted for and build yourself a better future, while bitterly despising them for voting to pay you that money.

Just so we're clear.

Personally, if this is voted in, I plan to use the money to buy my fellow pilots more beer on overnights, because I'll be loaded.

If this is voted down, I plan to buy my fellow pilots more beer on overnights also, cause I'll still be loaded, and in the long run it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
I agree. The past is so consistent, the future can't miss. If it passes on Feb. 1, I couldn't care less what happens at AA or to this pilot group. Over the next 5 years, I plan to take advantage of the new shiny $$$ to maximize my personal position so as to be in a position to not need AA by 2020. I've crunched the numbers and 80 hours month at group II F/O gets me there. Group III or IV even better so that time is simply gravy, although I don't think I'll venture into Group IV. I'll plan to stay longer of course, but it is peaceful to know you can walk away at any time.

If this whole disaster is to reinforce one concept in 7 days, it's that we really aren't a union or association, but 13,000 independent contractors and that's EXACTLY what Doug, Scott and Jerry want out of this deal. I plan to send them all an email congratulating them on achieving exactly that.
Now perhaps you are understanding where Route66 is coming from.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ackattacker View Post
So... so just I get this straight... if the pilot group democratically votes yes on a JCBA that pays out a lot of money now in exchange for a few contentious and debatable provisions, that the Negotiating Committee and the President of the the Union and significant portion of the 22 member BOD recommend that they vote yes on, then at that point you will "not care" what happens to the rest of the pilot group because they have no unity (presumably unity, to you, means voting the way you prefer). Then you will take the money that they voted for and build yourself a better future, while bitterly despising them for voting to pay you that money.

Just so we're clear.

Personally, if this is voted in, I plan to use the money to buy my fellow pilots more beer on overnights, because I'll be loaded.

If this is voted down, I plan to buy my fellow pilots more beer on overnights also, cause I'll still be loaded, and in the long run it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.
If this is voted in, then I no longer see a group capable if attaining anything in the future. So........what I will do in 2020 is use some of the very same rationalization a many if the yes voters now are doing and taking what I can, while I can regardless of the long-term consequences.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
If this is voted in, then I no longer see a group capable if attaining anything in the future. So........what I will do in 2020 is use some of the very same rationalization a many if the yes voters now are doing and taking what I can, while I can regardless of the long-term consequences.
Drama queen.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay View Post
Now perhaps you are understanding where Route66 is coming from.
Nonsense. He's "anti-union". I'm not per se. It's just if this passes there IS no union. I cannot support something that doesn't really exist or essentially so. The failure isn't the "union" per we, it's the pilots or at least the majority. On Feb. 1st, it will become very peaceful for me.
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Old 01-24-2015, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay View Post
Drama queen.

Don't feed his 'I'm a victim' needs.
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Old 01-24-2015, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay View Post
Now perhaps you are understanding where Route66 is coming from.
Don't bother. He isn't worth it. Just let him rave like the madman he is.
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