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12-02-2015, 09:27 AM
#41
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Regardless of the name on the door, the internal structure of our "leadership" within whatever association has to change. The guys leading the charge right now, for the most part, are so far out in left field, I doubt they're even in the ballpark anymore. There appear to be some good domicile reps, but there are some VERY bad ones. The leadership HAS to change regardless of whether we go with ALPA or not. If we keep our same leaders in place, we're doomed in 2020 and beyond.
12-02-2015, 10:05 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
Regardless of the name on the door, the internal structure of our "leadership" within whatever association has to change. The guys leading the charge right now, for the most part, are so far out in left field, I doubt they're even in the ballpark anymore. There appear to be some good domicile reps, but there are some VERY bad ones. The leadership HAS to change regardless of whether we go with ALPA or not. If we keep our same leaders in place, we're doomed in 2020 and beyond.
12-03-2015, 04:58 AM
#45
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: CRJ, A320
Posts: 240
I'm for ALPA. Can't get any worse then where we're at now so why not. The dues would have to be negotiated down though. ALPA does have some good stuff when it comes to safety/insurance/medical etc. and I think there is merit to the idea of the big 3 being the same Union. It's all about Washington and pandering. AFL-CIO does have some pull....APA got squadouche.
12-03-2015, 07:25 AM
#46
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Posts: 220
The then-Delta MEC Chairman and future ALPA President, Lee Moak, is reported to have said right to the face of the man who would turn out to be the last US Airways ALPA MEC Chairman, 'We were hoping you would go out of business'.
The implication to any pilot is obvious.
US Airways going out of business would have perhaps made Delta more competitive, in the short term anyway; it would have maybe staved off the Delta bankruptcy filing (although like most of the airline Ch. 11 filings, it was premeditated, so was probably going to happen anyway); and, of course, the first thought that comes into the minds of pilots of other airlines, when one airline appears to be in its death throes is, 'Can we get some of their assets?'
So the President of the largest union representing his class and craft was eager to see 3,000 or so of his constituents put out onto the street, because he felt it would benefit him, personally.
Is this really the kind of "union" of which you would like to be a member, and support with your dues money?
The implication to any pilot is obvious.
US Airways going out of business would have perhaps made Delta more competitive, in the short term anyway; it would have maybe staved off the Delta bankruptcy filing (although like most of the airline Ch. 11 filings, it was premeditated, so was probably going to happen anyway); and, of course, the first thought that comes into the minds of pilots of other airlines, when one airline appears to be in its death throes is, 'Can we get some of their assets?'
So the President of the largest union representing his class and craft was eager to see 3,000 or so of his constituents put out onto the street, because he felt it would benefit him, personally.
Is this really the kind of "union" of which you would like to be a member, and support with your dues money?
12-03-2015, 08:18 AM
#47
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Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by teddyballgame
The then-Delta MEC Chairman and future ALPA President, Lee Moak, is reported to have said right to the face of the man who would turn out to be the last US Airways ALPA MEC Chairman, 'We were hoping you would go out of business'.
The implication to any pilot is obvious.
US Airways going out of business would have perhaps made Delta more competitive, in the short term anyway; it would have maybe staved off the Delta bankruptcy filing (although like most of the airline Ch. 11 filings, it was premeditated, so was probably going to happen anyway); and, of course, the first thought that comes into the minds of pilots of other airlines, when one airline appears to be in its death throes is, 'Can we get some of their assets?'
So the President of the largest union representing his class and craft was eager to see 3,000 or so of his constituents put out onto the street, because he felt it would benefit him, personally.
Is this really the kind of "union" of which you would like to be a member, and support with your dues money?
The implication to any pilot is obvious.
US Airways going out of business would have perhaps made Delta more competitive, in the short term anyway; it would have maybe staved off the Delta bankruptcy filing (although like most of the airline Ch. 11 filings, it was premeditated, so was probably going to happen anyway); and, of course, the first thought that comes into the minds of pilots of other airlines, when one airline appears to be in its death throes is, 'Can we get some of their assets?'
So the President of the largest union representing his class and craft was eager to see 3,000 or so of his constituents put out onto the street, because he felt it would benefit him, personally.
Is this really the kind of "union" of which you would like to be a member, and support with your dues money?
As dysfunctional and self-centered as ALPA national is, they'd probably be smart to conclude our inclusion is not worth the hassle and risk we'd bring that would probably sink their already listing ship.
Last edited by eaglefly; 12-03-2015 at 08:40 AM.
12-04-2015, 07:09 AM
#48
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 220
One of the reasons that ALPA did not fight as vigorously as it might have on behalf of the TWA pilots during the American merger was that then-ALPA President Duane Woerth wanted desperately to get AA back into the ALPA fold, and didn't want to ruffle the AA pilots' feathers.
Woerth had dreams of being King of the Aviation World, with 10,000 more pilots under his jurisdiction.
As it turns out, that ring wasn't brassy enough for him. He then hoped to ride the coattails of then-House Aviation Committee Chairman Jim Oberstar to become FAA Administrator.
As soon as an ALPA officer hangs his or her pilot uniform in the closet, and dons a suit, he or she becomes just that.
A suit.
(One ALPA officer, under criticism by his constituents at a meeting, actually addressed his audience as "you pilots", implying that he was no longer one of them.)
Woerth had dreams of being King of the Aviation World, with 10,000 more pilots under his jurisdiction.
As it turns out, that ring wasn't brassy enough for him. He then hoped to ride the coattails of then-House Aviation Committee Chairman Jim Oberstar to become FAA Administrator.
As soon as an ALPA officer hangs his or her pilot uniform in the closet, and dons a suit, he or she becomes just that.
A suit.
(One ALPA officer, under criticism by his constituents at a meeting, actually addressed his audience as "you pilots", implying that he was no longer one of them.)
12-04-2015, 07:36 AM
#49
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,967
Originally Posted by Saabs
I believe you are referring to the VP email.
Weren't all the usapa officers pretty much the same guys that were alpa officers?m I fail to see the difference it would make. If someone sucks then they suck regardless of who they work for.
Weren't all the usapa officers pretty much the same guys that were alpa officers?m I fail to see the difference it would make. If someone sucks then they suck regardless of who they work for.
Yeah, supposedly going ALPA would improve our contacts... Wasn't that P.O.S. vice the chairman of the negotiating committee not to long ago? At any rate he and the P.O.S. prez were both negotiating for Parker/Glass during the last contract.
Haven they done enough damage already?
F00k ALPA.
If I have more time later, I'll tell ya how I really feel.
12-04-2015, 07:57 AM
#50
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,967
ALPA's two biggest achievements:
1) nearly half of all mainline flying at the majors has been transferred to the RJs. Thank you ALPA.
2) all the retirement plans were stolen. Thank you ALPA.
Take a drive through the parking lot at Herndon and see where the f00k all the dues money is going. ALPA PowerPoint warriors and secretaries make more than 70% of ALPA pilots.
1) nearly half of all mainline flying at the majors has been transferred to the RJs. Thank you ALPA.
2) all the retirement plans were stolen. Thank you ALPA.
Take a drive through the parking lot at Herndon and see where the f00k all the dues money is going. ALPA PowerPoint warriors and secretaries make more than 70% of ALPA pilots.
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