Atlas Air Hiring
05-08-2017 | 09:01 AM
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05-08-2017 | 12:25 PM
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05-08-2017 | 12:56 PM
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05-08-2017 | 07:45 PM
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You guys are in for a real eye opening experience. While the plane is bigger than an RJ, you will get to fly about 1-2 legs a month, be gone more, have your body destroyed through every time zone on earth, and work in a great environment where everybody is ****ed off and telling them that flying a 74 for crap wages is better than a RJ job will be met with lots of positivity for your 15 hour flight together. Welcome aboard.
05-08-2017 | 07:46 PM
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Im not doubting you guys at all and am on your side. I completely agree Atlas needs to get their act together and get you guys a new CBA.
I just think they have realised it now and made it pretty clear. They did say it is coming but did not make any promises about 90k first year or that the new agreement would be in place within 6 months.
You have to understand though that a guy on $40 an hour flying 90 hours a month at a regional who is fed up and broken due to the hectic schedules and up and down like a yoyo sees this as an escape and improvement...
They do realise their are massive problems but it beats the hell out of being flogged to death every month for min pay and no job satisfction.
Remember 90 hours a month for a regional guy is 90 hours of actual flying, not sleeping in bunks with 24 to 48 hour layovers but 13 hour layovers and not going anywhere or seeing anything interesting at all.
Before you bite my head off Im not saying long haul is easy or Atlas guys dont work hard or deserve an industry standard contract, they do but for a regional guy this is a step up especially as they know a new CBA will come sooner or later.
I just think they have realised it now and made it pretty clear. They did say it is coming but did not make any promises about 90k first year or that the new agreement would be in place within 6 months.
You have to understand though that a guy on $40 an hour flying 90 hours a month at a regional who is fed up and broken due to the hectic schedules and up and down like a yoyo sees this as an escape and improvement...
They do realise their are massive problems but it beats the hell out of being flogged to death every month for min pay and no job satisfction.
Remember 90 hours a month for a regional guy is 90 hours of actual flying, not sleeping in bunks with 24 to 48 hour layovers but 13 hour layovers and not going anywhere or seeing anything interesting at all.
Before you bite my head off Im not saying long haul is easy or Atlas guys dont work hard or deserve an industry standard contract, they do but for a regional guy this is a step up especially as they know a new CBA will come sooner or later.
05-09-2017 | 01:04 AM
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At the same time, I certainly don't blame you guys for taking advantage of the opportunities that are available today. Just be aware of what you guys are getting into.
05-09-2017 | 06:47 AM
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At the risk of sounding like a grumpy old man. ... even though I'm not. ... this used to be called paying your dues. Only it was for $15 an hour flying a 1900 with no flight director for 6-10 legs a day. That is what it means to be fed up and broken.
At the same time, I certainly don't blame you guys for taking advantage of the opportunities that are available today. Just be aware of what you guys are getting into.
At the same time, I certainly don't blame you guys for taking advantage of the opportunities that are available today. Just be aware of what you guys are getting into.
Im under no illusion that there is a lot wrong at Atlas at present but there is a lot wrong with aviation worldwide...Period!!!
I can think of so many unhappy pilot groups here and abroad that it makes my head spin. In saying that one has to take an opportunity when presented with it.
Hopefully the CBA is negotiated in good faith over the next 12 months but I certainly wont sit in the cockpit *****ing and moaning about it annoying every other Atlas pilot as I was fully aware of what I got myself into.
The situation is what it is but we still need jobs and money to support our families.
05-09-2017 | 07:09 AM
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No offense, but you don't appear to know what you're getting into if you're hoping the CBA is negotiated in good faith in the next 12 months. Atlas is currently suing the pilot group to prevent this exact thing. There will be no negotiations or a vote on CBA if they win that lawsuit. Good luck in your decision, but keep researching. Flying here is fun, but you will find yourself *****ing in the cockpit after the 500th CBA violation you're a part of and another exec bonus! It's a completely different world than 117 passenger flying. What would you do if we never got a contact, you don't get hired anywhere else, and you're gone 18+ days a month texting the wife from Niger under this CBA forever? If you're happy with that than come on over.
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