Hey guys i was just wondering how likely for a new pilot out of a part 141 school to get hired on 737 or wide body with Atlas with 1500 hours?

I would really like to live in Southern California, so ONT or LAX would be great. What do you think about the longterm outlook for ONT? Does Atlas only fly for Amazon out of ONT? In that case could Amazon just screw Atlas and hire its own pilots for less pay and fly its own planes? Thus closing ONT?

I see Atlas is not a time building airline, but i just want to be employed.

 

Currently, it’d say you won’t be getting into a widebody but maybe a 737. All you can do is apply.

Just about all flying from the ONT base is for Amazon, yes. Could we lose ONT in the future based on Amazon’s plans? Yes.

 

Ill be honest, you will be better off goi g the regional route right now. You will build your experience faster and upgrade will come quick with the movement. Once you get some TPIC under your then look to coming over if you are still interested.

 

what makes you reach that conclusion?

At the regionals there is NO guarantee that you’ll build time quick. Chances are you’ll be sitting reserve for months if not longer.

there’s also no guarantee of upgrading.

you are guaranteed to crashpads and standby commuting (and making around $45k a year on that first year).

If you make it at atlas you are guaranteed a Boeing type rating, NO crashpads and a salary of 70k minimum. You make six figures guaranteed year 2.

both are after OE. Yes you get a bonus but it’s more of a bond. You’ll get 75% of that bonus (Uncle Sam gets 25%) but will be signing up for years with that regional. Ugh…

I recommend atlas for newcomers especially if you can live on base. We have a contract with Amazon until 2023. By then you can transition to the 76 or the 77 and stay in Cali.

come on over man…Atlas is booming.

ps: you can build time at atlas. Ask the 74ers…

 

How long for a new hire to hold LAX on either 747 or 777 and which has the more stable roster in this particular base?
Also would you back into LAX quite often during your trip?

 

Come On man, you don’t need to pull out the recruiting talking points with me.

I’ve came to that conclusion based on knowing how much the 737 guys are flying (fresh ATPs aren’t getting hired into the wide body fleet, let’s be real here), current upgrade times here at Atlas vs the regionals and the regionals hurting for captains.

One will get their 1000 hours of 121 quicker at the regionals than they will on the 737 to be upgrade eligible. Two, the upgrade will be there once one reaches 1000 hours of 121. Reserve times? You won’t sit reserve long as a Regional FO, you will have a stint of reserve as a Captain. I suspect those times will dropping quickly with the staffing issues that the regionals are having.

Atlas is booming, but the environment today. I can’t honestly recommend someone who is new to 121, fresh ATP to come here to build experience. I would only look to Atlas once you have the 121 experience. Then come on over to test the Waters. If one likes it great, make it a career, if once doesn’t. Well, you have a solid resume bullet point that will help one move on.

 

That's one way to look at it. Atlas may be booming but so is the amount of pilots leaving out the front door. If you're thinking about coming here or have multiple job offers you just have to be real with yourself. Yes, gateway travel is nice and they provide the hotel, but if you're working a fleet other than a 747, youre going to be spending a lot of time traveling to and from your gateway city and base. whereas on the 74 with the 17 day lines, youre "only" burning 2 days of your 13 off to travel for work. If I had friends thinking about coming here I would tell them to hold off until Atlas gets AQP, whenever that may be, and they increase their training pay as $1,600 a month is just not industry standard, especially when you will be making that for 1/3 of a year. We're all here for a reason, but it is nice to know all the information you can get before making a decision.

 

It's not like the other fleets don't have 17 days lines, and hell, the 73, which is where someone with 1500 hours would go to has deadheads to start and end every trip anyways so you wouldn't even gateway then.

 

Skawid8,
what makes it recruiting talk points? Is the information I have provided invalid?

yes b737 guys aren’t flying much if at all. That being said based off of rig pay (and I’m being conservative at 70 hrs a month on average) would you not say that the statements above are accurate?

on that note check out the regional forums and see how much junior guys are flying. Endeavor has 5 months reserve waiting for ya.

b737 captain upgrade is now in 2020. Granted you’ll need the turbine time…

how do you figure it’ll be faster? Regional guys are sitting reserve. Flying isn’t forecast to reach 2019 levels until maybe 2025!

regionals lately also have been dropping like flies. We’ve had major regional pilot migration to atlas. How many of them have returned to the regionals after? :O

the environment today according to IATA is gonna stay for at least the next few years.

as for the people leaving…most are year one or two guys who have, in my opinion, either realized it’s not for them or have moved up to FedEx, UpS, United etc

sooo at worst you leave atlas with a Boeing type rating and more money in your pocket (no bonus bond here) and you go to a major….or you stay at one of the most diversified outfits on the planet, get a heavy type and a job that’ll pay 300k a year working AT most part time.

Hmmm

Ps: training is $1600 + $1900 for perdiem so = $3500

Do you know how much regional training pay is? It’s not $3500 a month. AND after 4 months you get paid FO pay. I remember training at my regional having lasted 6 months. Guess if they had the same deal…

 

Yes you get paid per diem but generally speaking that money is being used for food. Sure you can pocket a portion of it but to use that number to advertise a "monthly rate" isn't actually representative. I'm not sure comparing the training pay of a regional to that of the worlds largest 74 operator is a fair representation to the 74 crews. How about a comparison to a company at the same level or perhaps industry standard?