flyingswan

I see that now, thanks.

JT400

For you military folks, I called the Sr Director of the Flight Operations Support Group in Miami first thing this morning and posed the question on whether the conversion is 1.2 X sorties(like most companies) or 1.2 X total time.

The official answer is "1.2 for every hour flown".

Best of luck guys and gals!!

JT

DarinFred

Thanks JT!

Lobaeux

1.2 per hours flown seems more legit. .2 per sortie would yield a huge number, I just flew personnel airdrop to pope the other day, one day of flying had 5 sorties, and that's typical for -130 guys.

LowSlowT2

Actually, it's the other way around. Take my numbers - after 20 years in Herks, I have right at 2100 sorties & 5345 hours according to ARMS. .2 * 5345 = 1069 giving me 6414 total with the 1.2 x Mil Flight Time. However, 2100 * .2 is only 420 hours giving me 5765 total - that's a huge difference.

One way adds a specific amount per sortie, the other way adds a percentage to your total hours. The rationale behind .2/.3 per sortie is because the military only logs time from takeoff to landing, where most airlines log time from engine start to shutdown. How much time do you have idling in the chocks or taxiing? The non-mil guys are logging time then...

It's very generous of Atlas to allow a 20% pad of the hours and I don't think anyone else in the industry does it this way...be able to justify what you present as your hours and even if Atlas allows this huge conversion, I wouldn't use it anywhere else.

Tenacvols

Thanks, that puts me over the minimums! Now I just have to resend my information.

xjtguy

Depends, some go from beacon switch on, some go from an oil pressure indication, some go from a door close/open, some go from a brake release. Or any combination of the above for an out or in time.

True, as you pointed it out. SW is by the sortie. FedEx requires the "sortie" box to be checked. I thought DAL did by the sortie as well.

LowSlowT2

All true. I hope my response was general enough to differentiate that the military are about the only ones that do takeoff-landing.


I think EVERYONE does it by the sortie because that's the only thing that really makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a misunderstanding/mis-speak by Atlas...in fact, if I were applying at Atlas, I'd feel better if this was written down somewhere (the instructions for filling out the PAQ, for example).

crewdawg

So it's more like 2200 sorties & 6,000 hours. I'm amazed at how many sorties/hours they have "missed" in my very short career. Not that it really matters for your times.

Here is all I could find through research of hiring practices in the past. These could be off and obviously, this is not official.

Delta------ .2/SORTIE
SWA ------ .3/SORTIE
FEDEX----- .2/SORTIE
JETBLUE-- .3/HOUR
UPS------- .3/HOUR

JT400

That's all fine and good, but I got the confirmation from the guy who you will be sitting across from as hey asks you questions about your flight time and resume. I spoke to him personally on the phone early this morning. Good research though, but per sortie is not how Atlas is doing it. He specifically said, "1.2 per flight hour".