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Old 12-12-2012, 10:03 AM
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Flying a 767 is not rocket science. Anyone with a few thousand hours of flying jets will NOT have a problem in a 76, regardless of previous jet(s) flown. Some folks are over valuing their/others prior 767 experience.

Hire the best candidate for the position. Plenty of us had zero 767 time and we aren't struggling despite what some may think/say. Preferential hiring? Give me a break. Plenty of great pilots out there that can figure out this airplane and do just as well as someone from a prior 767 company. Prior 76 experience is not an entitlement for an interview.

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Old 12-12-2012, 10:24 AM
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Flying a 747 isnt rocket science either. Especially if you flew the EMB-170/190 before...
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:28 AM
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Flying a 767 is not rocket science. Anyone with a few thousand hours of flying jets will NOT have a problem in a 76, regardless of previous jet(s) flown. Some folks are over valuing their/others prior 767 experience.

Hire the best candidate for the position. Plenty of us had zero 767 time and we aren't struggling despite what some may think/say. Preferential hiring? Give me a break. Plenty of great pilots out there that can figure out this airplane and do just as well as someone from a prior 767 company. Prior 76 experience is not an entitlement for an interview.

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You're right that previous jet experience is beneficial to learning to fly a plane like the 767. Anyone can learn to fly it provided the candidate has the aptitude. I came from the CRJ and straight into a 757 job with no problems in training.

However, there is an economic advantage to the company if they get can get not only qualified but current 767 pilots in training, because the course would be shorten dramatically. Less time in training means that they will become useful to the company sooner.

Also, it you flown for other airlines, you'll know that the vast majority of them are represented by a union and work under a collective bargaining agreement. In summary flying for the airlines isn't just a profession, it is permeated with politics.

Union members could argue that recent furloughed pilots represented by the same union should be given preferential treatment from other carriers whose pilots are also the members of the same union. This cannot be dictated by the union, because they have no authority to do so. They can only propose such a proposition to a company.

Perhaps, Atlas management has seen this recent event as a competitive advantage and will exploit it. They aren't not doing it for altruistic reasons.

If you're currently in the pool you have my empathy. It may seem unfair to you. You're right. But business isn't necessarily about fairness, so long as any law isn't broken. Gosh, a business trying to circumvent the law. I don't think that has ever happen?
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhino12 View Post
Flying a 767 is not rocket science. Anyone with a few thousand hours of flying jets will NOT have a problem in a 76, regardless of previous jet(s) flown. Some folks are over valuing their/others prior 767 experience.

Hire the best candidate for the position. Plenty of us had zero 767 time and we aren't struggling despite what some may think/say. Preferential hiring? Give me a break. Plenty of great pilots out there that can figure out this airplane and do just as well as someone from a prior 767 company. Prior 76 experience is not an entitlement for an interview.

If I've offended you - you'll get over it.
for the DOD contract there is aircraft specific minimum hours the crew must have to fly together - hiring crews with 767 time keeps scheduling easier and abides by the contract - important for a company with new equipment
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:43 AM
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We have plenty of ex ABX guys flying - who decided to leave or were furloughed. No preferential hiring for them - no short course. My entire class didn't have a 767 guy in it and I doubt the company didn't think of the points fore mentioned - yet not one prior 767 guy in class. And then...?
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:11 AM
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744Driver please don't encourage the senior guys to upgrade if they don't want to ....... us little people on the bottom, want to upgrade and we know how important it is.
When I hear the senior guys say that the 767 is no good and they want to stay on the 747, I tell them "right on, if I were you I'd do the same"
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:33 AM
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F10A: Just update your information by sending to the crewjobs email address. As I sent my original pkg using an IMAC, I learned through others to resend using the Wibdows platform. I spoke w/HR yesterday to confirm they had my complete package.

There are a lot of good candidates in the resume system. Good luck and continued patience for all of us.

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Old 12-12-2012, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhino12 View Post
Flying a 767 is not rocket science. Anyone with a few thousand hours of flying jets will NOT have a problem in a 76, regardless of previous jet(s) flown. Some folks are over valuing their/others prior 767 experience.

Hire the best candidate for the position. Plenty of us had zero 767 time and we aren't struggling despite what some may think/say. Preferential hiring? Give me a break. Plenty of great pilots out there that can figure out this airplane and do just as well as someone from a prior 767 company. Prior 76 experience is not an entitlement for an interview.

If I've offended you - you'll get over it.
It has nothing to do with the ability to learn to fly a new airplane...it has everything to do with the fact that the company might need pilots that can be put in a short course...since the FAA (our POI) can set those guidelines for a new short course (that did not exist before), I guess we all have to get used to the fact that the company can and will do this.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:36 PM
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NO ONE, on property, in pool, or waiting by the phone, needs to take anything personally.

It's nothing new that Atlas doesn't pull from the pool in the order that you take the plunge. The need for C & Q pilots must be there, and i'm glad Atlas is doing what it takes and putting together a short course.

Try to stay patient swimmers! It seems Atlas is interviewing again which must mean they are soon going to have to fill a draining pool... Good chance you will go to the 747 (747 FO's upgrading to 767 Capt will create vacancies there).

The concern is not if any 767 new-hire is more or less trainable due to background, it is the new-aircraft-type-on-the-property syndrome which means almost all Captains continue to upgrade from 747 FO and have 0 time on the 767. In less than 2 years, when current 767 FO seat-locks are up, this won't be an issue any more since all new-hires will likely start on the 767. It seems reasonable to favor some experienced 767 FO new-hires (especially if a short course is needed). I believe we will continue to not favor background types and hire pilots from cargo, pax, regional, military, and corporate.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:12 PM
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There will be a shrimp boil Sunday @ 1700ish at the grill for the new hires.

Welcome to the zoo!
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