Atlas Air Hiring
08-24-2013 | 12:09 PM
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From: P-3C IP
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I am an outsider looking in, but this is exactly how we log it flying P-3s in the Navy. If you sign for it, you get all the PIC time, if you don't then you get only time in the seat, ie 2/3 of total flight time, since we routinely fly with 3 pilots.
08-24-2013 | 12:34 PM
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If you are assigned a 13 hour flight thereby REQUIRING 4 crew, ALL 13 hours counts towards any flight time limitations. Many years of international ops and I have not seen it done any other way.
08-24-2013 | 12:36 PM
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Im sure this has been debated to death but every FO I have talked to logs the entire flight time as SIC regardless of crew complement. My previous employers also did not break down augmented flights for FAR tracking purposes like the above example. The regs seem to approve both methods. Anyways, its probably all irrelevant at the end of the day.
§ 61.51 Pilot logbooks.(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of § 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of § 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.
08-24-2013 | 12:42 PM
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Well, the way I see it is this: The FAA counts IRO time toward the 100-hour consolidation requirement, so it's implied that the entire flight can legally be logged. I'm trying to find a letter of interpretation, but I haven't heard of anyone getting in trouble for it.
08-24-2013 | 01:16 PM
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It can certainly all be logged, I just choose not to log flight time "acquired" while unconcious in the bunk. Just my "portion" based on no. of operating crewmembers.
08-24-2013 | 01:17 PM
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08-24-2013 | 01:23 PM
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Not complicated at all. And not a "legal interpretation", the regs don't dictate it. I just choose not to log the sleeptime in the bunk. I do note the total block time for the leg elsewhere in the log entry.
08-24-2013 | 01:31 PM
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In theory no one's supposed to be in the seat more than 8 hours. But I just did DWC - AUH - PVG. The DWC - AUH leg was 44 minutes block (a new personal record beating my 55 minutes MFM - HKG.) The company will figure we all flew 30 minutes that leg. Usually if I'm the third wheel for a short hop I'll try to give the other pilots an extra 15 minutes or 30 minutes rest the next leg.
08-24-2013 | 03:47 PM
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Ferried an empty airplane DXB-SHJ...takeoff to touchdown in 6 minutes!! Took off Rwy 30R DXB and landed Rwy 12 SHJ...personal record...Captain gave me the leg, and immediately regretted it since ALL I had to do was fly the damn airplane. He was running checklists, typing in the FMC, talking on the radio, blah, blah, blah...
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