I stand corrected! Thanks for the info!

 

So Atlas Air pilot contract is up in a couple of years. Does anyone else find their retirement program a little weak? What's the likelihood of a better 401k match in the next contract. I'm just saying.

 

It's been discussed ad nauseam, in this very thread.

 

And it is one of a long list of items discussed at breakfast tables, and other venues around the world!!...

 

And hopefully it comes along in the process of "CBA maturity"

 

Exactly, John...what we have right now is this...

Both Atlas and Polar have only had one CBA that was each negotiated from scratch...then the merger. And the current CBA, even though it is NOT a made-from-scratch document, made significant gains over both the existing Atlas and Polar CBAs.

So, yes we have a long way to go to be in a so-called "mature" CBA, the likes of the Legacy carriers, or even FDX, UPS, and ABX. But with solidarity from the crews, we'll get there next time.

Remember, every decision you make the moment you leave home counts (actually, even before you leave home since they even try to violate the CBA with your Gateway/Alternate Travel arrangements!!

 

The company has been around over 20 years. In my opinion, there are no valid excuses as to why we are so far behind in many areas of our contract. Many of us are ready to swing for the fences during this next contract negotiation in order to make up a lot of ground and get us to parity with American, Delta, FedEx, United, and UPS. Time will tell if we can achieve what we are setting out to accomplish, but either way, you can be certain that these gains will only be possible after a long fight.

 

Not sure what pay rates you're looking at, but you can have American's. And don't be surprised when you see the others ratchet down in the next couple of years.

As to valid excuses...not sure how long you've been around, but I suspect not long enough to know the history. Or the fact that in terms of contracts, as was said above, this is a second contract as opposed to the ones you reference that have been in place and modified many times over decades.

If you want change and improvement, start by unifying the pilot group around a single goal...instead of everyone having their own ideas on how to do things. Management loves that.

As to the complaint in another post about retirement? 401k will always be a risk. Again, IF the group could get behind a single concept, the way to go would be to join one of the well funded and very secure IBT pension plans that has a very solid track record. But that will never happen when everyone has their own solution and it's the only correct one.

Been there, seen that and have all the t-shirts in the closet.

 

Just to be clear - you want us new guys to provide the solidarity that you old guys seem to lack?

From what I've seen so far, not a problem. We're fired up. How come you didn't say "if WE want change and improvement"?

 

Could you mind elaborating on this? I have never heard of a point system at Atlas. How many points gets you an interview? How many points does each recommendation get you? How are people even listing multiple recs? That box is only big enough for one person's name and job title.

Are there certain experiences or qualifications that have a higher emphasis on the point system? For example, would heavy time get you more points than being a regional pilot?