Atlas Air Hiring
01-27-2016, 07:31 PM
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LR45D I commend you for your research abilities, I was just curious about the massive hiring and how in the world they are going to train all these folks, since training 18 at a time was a lot already.
Being in the industry I want to know what is going around me and how it's going to effect of mergers and contract might have on my career. Thats all. I hope people get hired at atlas, it is a good company.
congrats on getting hired. Just remember LVSA if you are on the 747
Being in the industry I want to know what is going around me and how it's going to effect of mergers and contract might have on my career. Thats all. I hope people get hired at atlas, it is a good company.
congrats on getting hired. Just remember LVSA if you are on the 747
01-27-2016, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by easyflying
Any idea why Atlas is hiring so many pilots?
01-27-2016, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by easyflying
LR45D I commend you for your research abilities, I was just curious about the massive hiring and how in the world they are going to train all these folks, since training 18 at a time was a lot already.
Being in the industry I want to know what is going around me and how it's going to effect of mergers and contract might have on my career. Thats all. I hope people get hired at atlas, it is a good company.
congrats on getting hired. Just remember LVSA if you are on the 747
Being in the industry I want to know what is going around me and how it's going to effect of mergers and contract might have on my career. Thats all. I hope people get hired at atlas, it is a good company.
congrats on getting hired. Just remember LVSA if you are on the 747
Haven't heard much about the attrition rate to the Majors, but similar work for more money appears to be the draw. FedEx seems a tough nut to crack with a mass of highly-qualified individuals.
I admire the tack Atlas seems to take in seeking such a diverse Pilot group. Guys in my interview group had 121 time on various RJs, 727, 767, even K4 747. I felt quite intimidated by the exprience level. Still, I made the pool and am very grateful! Looking forward to my time there. Hoping to get the 22FEB class...
Cheers,
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01-27-2016, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by easyflying
makes you wonder why so many are leaving?
There aren't. About 3-4 retirements per month and 4-6 move on to other places so about 10 pilots monthly drop off the seniority list. Pilots aren't leaving in "droves" and the 200 folks who interviewed for this job a couple weeks ago indicates to me their not having problems finding pilots. We were understaffed to begin with and we keep adding more flying so we need more people. Atlas is definitely seeing more attrition than previous years but it's not staggering.
01-27-2016, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenwind
Anyone given any credence to the idea that Atlas may flush the SA pilots prior to merger?
Atlas hiring, albeit a pig in a poke, is none-the-less pretty detailed in scrutiny and the SA pilot group has not been vetted by Atlas.
Not to be the devils advocate but what could prevent Atlas from avoiding liability and deleting the SA pilots from the equation?
Hence the hiring spree, which is justified enough on it's own, regardless of the SA acquisition.
Just an idle thought...
Atlas hiring, albeit a pig in a poke, is none-the-less pretty detailed in scrutiny and the SA pilot group has not been vetted by Atlas.
Not to be the devils advocate but what could prevent Atlas from avoiding liability and deleting the SA pilots from the equation?
Hence the hiring spree, which is justified enough on it's own, regardless of the SA acquisition.
Just an idle thought...
NO. No chance of any sort of flush.
The word from those who have heard Atlas upper management speak to certain pilot groups is that there will be a merger of the pilot groups (and NO no stapling!).
Atlas has had a pilot shortage for over a year now (this month alone we had many, many, many open trips, some for multiple crew members), and any expansion will have to be after these trips are covered, and the attrition and retirement numbers are covered. If the previous post is correct, (and you can debate what "droves" is) that means a minimum of 120 pilots a year are departing Atlas one way or the other. Add to that figure the 4 additional aircraft we added last year and you can begin to understand the dilemma that our scheduling department faces on a daily basis.
In addition, there are numerous rumors (some actually substantiated) that Atlas has turned away some big contracts that would have involved adding either ACMI or CMI airframes (the list of rumored carriers is long and colorful).
Since Atlas cannot even cover the flying that we currently have (not to mention potential future contracts), excluding the Southern pilots from joining Atlas is a ridiculous statement. There would be no benefit to doing that from any viewpoint. Only downsides.
Atlas upper level management has a laser focus on growth and, since I was hired in 2011, their plan has allowed this airline grow from 34 747's (including 8 "classics) to 58 74's and 76's (no classics, but 10 new -8's) (NOT counting the Titan planes that aren't crewed by us). Add to that the 10 Southern airplanes and you start to get the picture. The fleet doubled in 5 years.
Atlas has begun to realize the benefits of it's economy of scale staffing all of our non flying positions based on the earnings of 58 airplanes (68 with Southern) versus 13 for Kalitta, 4 for National, 8 for Skylease, and 11 for Omni. Atlas is now the 800 pound gorilla in this market.
Setting aside all of that sunshine, our contract is STILL pitiful and pilots are leaving in "droves". Many are 767 captains who have 6+ years invested here. Hopefully THAT should tell you something.
So stop already with the alarmist posts about the Southern pilots who are NOT getting flushed or stapled. We are both in the same union and the same local of that union. Atlas management seems to be looking far beyond this acquisition.
That said, this 800 pound gorilla had better come up with a lot more bananas for the apes in this troupe or it won't be finding very many vines to swing from.
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01-27-2016, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FrancesTheMute
There aren't. About 3-4 retirements per month and 4-6 move on to other places so about 10 pilots monthly drop off the seniority list. Pilots aren't leaving in "droves" and the 200 folks who interviewed for this job a couple weeks ago indicates to me their not having problems finding pilots. We were understaffed to begin with and we keep adding more flying so we need more people. Atlas is definitely seeing more attrition than previous years but it's not staggering.
But when you have over a hundred pilots a year walking in the front door and out the back with a fresh 74 or 76 type, you have a retention problem. "Staggering", maybe not, but I'll bet you wouldn't want to have the monetary outlay for putting even ONE pilot through the system cut from your paycheck when they simply walk away with that new type rating within a year or two.
Maybe the view from your seat is more pleasant than it is from mine, but airlines where pilots have fought for more equitable contracts than we have do not see 10% of their pilot group leaving for another airline job.
No. You're right. Atlas has no problem getting pilots to interview. The problem is getting them to stay.
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01-28-2016, 06:01 AM
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Guys are leaving Atlas sometimes because of the CBA, but also because they realize that this is a difficult work environment. Being all over the world is fun for a year or so, but then the girlfriend leaves or the wife threatens, etc.etc. HR is as much to blame as the CBA. They turned down a lot of lifers in the ACMI business to go after regional types. Some loved this life, many did not.
01-28-2016, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
IMHO.
NO. No chance of any sort of flush.
The word from those who have heard Atlas upper management speak to certain pilot groups is that there will be a merger of the pilot groups (and NO no stapling!).
Atlas has had a pilot shortage for over a year now (this month alone we had many, many, many open trips, some for multiple crew members), and any expansion will have to be after these trips are covered, and the attrition and retirement numbers are covered. If the previous post is correct, (and you can debate what "droves" is) that means a minimum of 120 pilots a year are departing Atlas one way or the other. Add to that figure the 4 additional aircraft we added last year and you can begin to understand the dilemma that our scheduling department faces on a daily basis.
In addition, there are numerous rumors (some actually substantiated) that Atlas has turned away some big contracts that would have involved adding either ACMI or CMI airframes (the list of rumored carriers is long and colorful).
Since Atlas cannot even cover the flying that we currently have (not to mention potential future contracts), excluding the Southern pilots from joining Atlas is a ridiculous statement. There would be no benefit to doing that from any viewpoint. Only downsides.
Atlas upper level management has a laser focus on growth and, since I was hired in 2011, their plan has allowed this airline grow from 34 747's (including 8 "classics) to 58 74's and 76's (no classics, but 10 new -8's) (NOT counting the Titan planes that aren't crewed by us). Add to that the 10 Southern airplanes and you start to get the picture. The fleet doubled in 5 years.
Atlas has begun to realize the benefits of it's economy of scale staffing all of our non flying positions based on the earnings of 58 airplanes (68 with Southern) versus 13 for Kalitta, 4 for National, 8 for Skylease, and 11 for Omni. Atlas is now the 800 pound gorilla in this market.
Setting aside all of that sunshine, our contract is STILL pitiful and pilots are leaving in "droves". Many are 767 captains who have 6+ years invested here. Hopefully THAT should tell you something.
So stop already with the alarmist posts about the Southern pilots who are NOT getting flushed or stapled. We are both in the same union and the same local of that union. Atlas management seems to be looking far beyond this acquisition.
That said, this 800 pound gorilla had better come up with a lot more bananas for the apes in this troupe or it won't be finding very many vines to swing from.
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NO. No chance of any sort of flush.
The word from those who have heard Atlas upper management speak to certain pilot groups is that there will be a merger of the pilot groups (and NO no stapling!).
Atlas has had a pilot shortage for over a year now (this month alone we had many, many, many open trips, some for multiple crew members), and any expansion will have to be after these trips are covered, and the attrition and retirement numbers are covered. If the previous post is correct, (and you can debate what "droves" is) that means a minimum of 120 pilots a year are departing Atlas one way or the other. Add to that figure the 4 additional aircraft we added last year and you can begin to understand the dilemma that our scheduling department faces on a daily basis.
In addition, there are numerous rumors (some actually substantiated) that Atlas has turned away some big contracts that would have involved adding either ACMI or CMI airframes (the list of rumored carriers is long and colorful).
Since Atlas cannot even cover the flying that we currently have (not to mention potential future contracts), excluding the Southern pilots from joining Atlas is a ridiculous statement. There would be no benefit to doing that from any viewpoint. Only downsides.
Atlas upper level management has a laser focus on growth and, since I was hired in 2011, their plan has allowed this airline grow from 34 747's (including 8 "classics) to 58 74's and 76's (no classics, but 10 new -8's) (NOT counting the Titan planes that aren't crewed by us). Add to that the 10 Southern airplanes and you start to get the picture. The fleet doubled in 5 years.
Atlas has begun to realize the benefits of it's economy of scale staffing all of our non flying positions based on the earnings of 58 airplanes (68 with Southern) versus 13 for Kalitta, 4 for National, 8 for Skylease, and 11 for Omni. Atlas is now the 800 pound gorilla in this market.
Setting aside all of that sunshine, our contract is STILL pitiful and pilots are leaving in "droves". Many are 767 captains who have 6+ years invested here. Hopefully THAT should tell you something.
So stop already with the alarmist posts about the Southern pilots who are NOT getting flushed or stapled. We are both in the same union and the same local of that union. Atlas management seems to be looking far beyond this acquisition.
That said, this 800 pound gorilla had better come up with a lot more bananas for the apes in this troupe or it won't be finding very many vines to swing from.
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However, it does not answer the question whether Atlas COULD (not saying WOULD) legally flush the SA pilots?
The argument comes up as it is no secret that some of the workforce (a small percentage) at SA could not pass the scrutiny of a thorough background check (not bashing anybody) and that this could be a liability for Atlas...
I understand the 1224 relationship, the need for pilots, retention, etc. However, what could the union do to prevent such a move, if indeed that was a likely scenario?
Once again, just playing the devils advocate... (and I'm curious)
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