Last week one FO was on OE who was a July hire but he may have dropped Mil Leave on scheduling. Was supposed to start this trip twelve days ago with a student on leg one of OE but the Check Airman got rerouted so the student was sent elsewhere. He was a September hire.

 

Ok thank you

 

makes you wonder why so many are leaving?

 

Despite two fishing expeditions to incite a conversation about why people are leaving Atlas, or why you and others might think it is a crap place to be, still no one is biting. Get a hint: this thread is Atlas Air Hiring.

Go start or continue your own thread about Atlas Air Resignations or Teamsters Warn of Crisis at Atlas (oh yeah, that's the Kalitta thread at pprune.)

Clearly we care more about getting in rather than out.

Happy trails in your endeavor of choice!

L45D

 

Anyone given any credence to the idea that Atlas may flush the SA pilots prior to merger?

Atlas hiring, albeit a pig in a poke, is none-the-less pretty detailed in scrutiny and the SA pilot group has not been vetted by Atlas.

Not to be the devils advocate but what could prevent Atlas from avoiding liability and deleting the SA pilots from the equation?

Hence the hiring spree, which is justified enough on it's own, regardless of the SA acquisition.

Just an idle thought...

 

LR45D I commend you for your research abilities, I was just curious about the massive hiring and how in the world they are going to train all these folks, since training 18 at a time was a lot already.

Being in the industry I want to know what is going around me and how it's going to effect of mergers and contract might have on my career. Thats all. I hope people get hired at atlas, it is a good company.

congrats on getting hired. Just remember LVSA if you are on the 747

 

The rumor I heard is that we have been awarded the Amazon flying. Supposedly, it was a big topic of conversation at the recent check airman meeting in Miami. No, I don't have any super secret inside information. It's just a rumor I heard that would make some sense.

 

No worries mate. Sorry to assume malicious intent. The crowd here does seem to be much better mannered than the Ppruners.

Haven't heard much about the attrition rate to the Majors, but similar work for more money appears to be the draw. FedEx seems a tough nut to crack with a mass of highly-qualified individuals.

I admire the tack Atlas seems to take in seeking such a diverse Pilot group. Guys in my interview group had 121 time on various RJs, 727, 767, even K4 747. I felt quite intimidated by the exprience level. Still, I made the pool and am very grateful! Looking forward to my time there. Hoping to get the 22FEB class...

Cheers,

L45D

 

There aren't. About 3-4 retirements per month and 4-6 move on to other places so about 10 pilots monthly drop off the seniority list. Pilots aren't leaving in "droves" and the 200 folks who interviewed for this job a couple weeks ago indicates to me their not having problems finding pilots. We were understaffed to begin with and we keep adding more flying so we need more people. Atlas is definitely seeing more attrition than previous years but it's not staggering.

 

IMHO.

NO. No chance of any sort of flush.

The word from those who have heard Atlas upper management speak to certain pilot groups is that there will be a merger of the pilot groups (and NO no stapling!).

Atlas has had a pilot shortage for over a year now (this month alone we had many, many, many open trips, some for multiple crew members), and any expansion will have to be after these trips are covered, and the attrition and retirement numbers are covered. If the previous post is correct, (and you can debate what "droves" is) that means a minimum of 120 pilots a year are departing Atlas one way or the other. Add to that figure the 4 additional aircraft we added last year and you can begin to understand the dilemma that our scheduling department faces on a daily basis.

In addition, there are numerous rumors (some actually substantiated) that Atlas has turned away some big contracts that would have involved adding either ACMI or CMI airframes (the list of rumored carriers is long and colorful).

Since Atlas cannot even cover the flying that we currently have (not to mention potential future contracts), excluding the Southern pilots from joining Atlas is a ridiculous statement. There would be no benefit to doing that from any viewpoint. Only downsides.

Atlas upper level management has a laser focus on growth and, since I was hired in 2011, their plan has allowed this airline grow from 34 747's (including 8 "classics) to 58 74's and 76's (no classics, but 10 new -8's) (NOT counting the Titan planes that aren't crewed by us). Add to that the 10 Southern airplanes and you start to get the picture. The fleet doubled in 5 years.

Atlas has begun to realize the benefits of it's economy of scale staffing all of our non flying positions based on the earnings of 58 airplanes (68 with Southern) versus 13 for Kalitta, 4 for National, 8 for Skylease, and 11 for Omni. Atlas is now the 800 pound gorilla in this market.

Setting aside all of that sunshine, our contract is STILL pitiful and pilots are leaving in "droves". Many are 767 captains who have 6+ years invested here. Hopefully THAT should tell you something.

So stop already with the alarmist posts about the Southern pilots who are NOT getting flushed or stapled. We are both in the same union and the same local of that union. Atlas management seems to be looking far beyond this acquisition.

That said, this 800 pound gorilla had better come up with a lot more bananas for the apes in this troupe or it won't be finding very many vines to swing from.

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