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Old 10-14-2021, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
If you had more than 5 minutes in the airline industry, you'd realize that competing airlines flying a striking airline's routes helps the cause, not hurts it. It apples pressure to the company, as they watch the competition grab their market share.

What would be scab worthy would be if alter ego pilots who work for the same parent company started flying routes they don't normally fly. For example, the Comair strike, if Delta and ASA had started flying Comair routes they didn't fly previously.
This is correct. The point of a strike is to pressure YOUR company, not all the other airlines. As long as you're not earning money for the striking airline it's just business.

Anybody know how code shares fall into that though? Ie say a code-share airline allocates flying to cover struck work? Has that even happened?


Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Now before you try a ha ha gotcha moment, that may diminish my uncalled for comment that you are scabs, but you are certainly still cockroaches for flying mainline equipment at regional compensation. You're putting downward pressure on every other contract in the industry. And you're proud of it.
Do not use the "S" word here for anything other than it's doctrinal meaning, ie crossing a picket line.
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Old 10-14-2021, 08:33 AM
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Just to add to that-

Let's keep ALL the insulting remarks out of the conversation. I know many are not happy for what breeze pilots are earning pay wise but calling them cockroaches and scabs is way over the top.
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Old 10-14-2021, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Do not use the "S" word here for anything other than it's doctrinal meaning, ie crossing a picket line.
I apologized for saying the S word in a backhanded way, but I will agree directly that it isn't appropriate to this situation.

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Just to add to that-

Let's keep ALL the insulting remarks out of the conversation. I know many are not happy for what breeze pilots are earning pay wise but calling them cockroaches and scabs is way over the top.
It's frustrating to those of us who have spent a lifetime in this industry, fighting to raise the standards, to see young pilots come along willing to do the job for less, without remorse. I just really don't have a good answer to that. Even when we saw "startups" like People Express, Kiwi, and Jet Blue, they offered industry standard pay, or other forms of compensation (stock) to woo pilots into taking a risk on a startup. Nowadays, it's pure SJS (Shiny Jet Syndrome for you youngsters who may have never heard the term). We can't compete with that. It dumbs down the entire industry.

But out of respect to you and Rick, I'll say no more on this topic.
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Old 10-14-2021, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
Just to add to that-

Let's keep ALL the insulting remarks out of the conversation. I know many are not happy for what breeze pilots are earning pay wise but calling them cockroaches and scabs is way over the top.
This thread isn't even about Breeze anymore. Anyone that tries to talk about Breeze gets ignored by people arguing about Eastern scabs and if Allegiant pays more than Delta. Don't get me wrong, the gripes about pilots undercutting each other are legitimate and should be frustrating to everyone, but reality is that isn't going to change anytime soon and these companies know it. Just go look at the 20 somethings hired at any regional these days, sure the pay is a little higher, but the shiny jet syndrome is all the same.


Originally Posted by Margaritaville
I apologized for saying the S word in a backhanded way, but I will agree directly that it isn't appropriate to this situation.



It's frustrating to those of us who have spent a lifetime in this industry, fighting to raise the standards, to see young pilots come along willing to do the job for less, without remorse. I just really don't have a good answer to that. Even when we saw "startups" like People Express, Kiwi, and Jet Blue, they offered industry standard pay, or other forms of compensation (stock) to woo pilots into taking a risk on a startup. Nowadays, it's pure SJS (Shiny Jet Syndrome for you youngsters who may have never heard the term). We can't compete with that. It dumbs down the entire industry.

But out of respect to you and Rick, I'll say no more on this topic.
Is it possible that one of the key selling points about Breeze is also the bases and schedules are nothing like what you get at a standard airline and some people just want that kind of change of pace, and unlike Allegiant it's still probably possible to hold a desired base in not that long or straight out of class? Is Breeze really hiring "young" pilots that don't know any better and have shiny jet syndrome, or are they hiring the guys that might have flown at a regional for a bit, 121 supplemental, 91K, 135, and want something that gives them a better QOL if they live in one of the bases? While yes, pay should always be better, some guys may have just come to the conclusion that in this career you either get good pay or good QOL, but you rarely get both, and is it possible Breeze might be the right fit for some people from that perspective and they're not trying to be scabs or hurt some other airline's pilots?
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Old 10-14-2021, 11:59 AM
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Is it possible that one of the key selling points about Breeze is also the bases and schedules are nothing like what you get at a standard airline and some people just want that kind of change of pace, and unlike Allegiant it's still probably possible to hold a desired base in not that long or straight out of class? Is Breeze really hiring "young" pilots that don't know any better and have shiny jet syndrome, or are they hiring the guys that might have flown at a regional for a bit, 121 supplemental, 91K, 135, and want something that gives them a better QOL if they live in one of the bases? While yes, pay should always be better, some guys may have just come to the conclusion that in this career you either get good pay or good QOL, but you rarely get both, and is it possible Breeze might be the right fit for some people from that perspective and they're not trying to be scabs or hurt some other airline's pilots?[/QUOTE]

This ^^^^^^^
Most guys at Breeze have been in the game a lonnnng time. This is not a bunch of CFI’s just happy they’re flying a jet. They’re looking for better QOL (home Every night) and breeze still pays better than a regional (9E comparison tops out at 127 15 hrs. Breeze first year Capt pay 2022 $130)So none of them considered it a lateral move, just a gamble or stepping stone. Plus the top 80% of each base is getting 18-20 days off crediting 70-85 hrs per month (not bad at all). Ppl will argue breeze has no work rules and soft pay etc.. which is true but the company is not jr manning anyone (they totally could) they’re not hassling ppl about missed commutes and sick call outs, and they really seem to want to make it a good place to work. It’s just going to take time. I wouldn’t advise anyone to stay there long term but if you live In one of their bases why would nt you go there to make more money and to be home every night? If other carriers are going to use a start up with less than 100 pilots as leverage when negotiating, I think we have bigger problems. Breeze is not bringing anyone down. Calm your tits.
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Old 10-14-2021, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by chihuahua
This thread isn't even about Breeze anymore. Anyone that tries to talk about Breeze gets ignored by people arguing about Eastern scabs and if Allegiant pays more than Delta. Don't get me wrong, the gripes about pilots undercutting each other are legitimate and should be frustrating to everyone, but reality is that isn't going to change anytime soon and these companies know it. Just go look at the 20 somethings hired at any regional these days, sure the pay is a little higher, but the shiny jet syndrome is all the same.




Is it possible that one of the key selling points about Breeze is also the bases and schedules are nothing like what you get at a standard airline and some people just want that kind of change of pace, and unlike Allegiant it's still probably possible to hold a desired base in not that long or straight out of class? Is Breeze really hiring "young" pilots that don't know any better and have shiny jet syndrome, or are they hiring the guys that might have flown at a regional for a bit, 121 supplemental, 91K, 135, and want something that gives them a better QOL if they live in one of the bases? While yes, pay should always be better, some guys may have just come to the conclusion that in this career you either get good pay or good QOL, but you rarely get both, and is it possible Breeze might be the right fit for some people from that perspective and they're not trying to be scabs or hurt some other airline's pilots?
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Old 10-15-2021, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by chihuahua
For those actually still interested in Breeze... I see they removed the vaccine mandate for new hires. If you apply and choose to remain unvaccinated, will they actually consider you for the job? With all the attrition is TPA a base that will be available for new hires in coming classes? How many people have E190 classes been averaging and what are they planning to do for classes moving into 2022? Is the commuting stipend actually a thing if you end up having to commute to one of the other bases?
Its interesting they removed the mandate. They would only do that if they have issues recruiting or the pool they are drawing from is performing poorly.
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Old 10-16-2021, 05:03 PM
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Old 10-16-2021, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its interesting they removed the mandate. They would only do that if they have issues recruiting or the pool they are drawing from is performing poorly.
OR.. the company culture believes in individual rights.

that would be option three...
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Old 10-17-2021, 10:07 AM
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OR.. the company culture believes in individual rights.

that would be option three...
Why did they implement it in the first place then?
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