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01-08-2017, 10:48 AM
#131
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
Dumb comment and irrelevant, I would not have chosen that either. Now would I own or manage a garbage company? Yes and I believe there are more than a few who women do work at the upper levels of 'Waste Management."
The question our culture brings up in respect to women in aviation is why aren't more attracted to the job? There just aren't the same percentage of women working at becoming professional aviators.
01-08-2017, 12:48 PM
#132
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Originally Posted by detpilot
The fact is, only a member of the majority has the benefit of pretending these problems don't exist. You'd have to put yourself in some uncomfortable shoes to realize that there still ARE barriers to minorities getting into aviation. Barriers that dont exist for the majority. Because you don't "look" like a pilot.
Remember how you felt as a young pilot, having to prove yourself because you look "too" young? Dealing with passenger's annoying comments? That's one small thing minority pilots have to deal with, but it never goes away with age.
Remember how you felt as a young pilot, having to prove yourself because you look "too" young? Dealing with passenger's annoying comments? That's one small thing minority pilots have to deal with, but it never goes away with age.
Now let me leave you a last thought, as this conversation has become completely circular. I hear WAY, WAY more whining from the average straight, white, male pilot who has never faced any real form of discrimination than I do from any female or minority pilot, who has likely fought an uphill battle their entire career. We just shut our mouths and plug on. That's what the majority expects us to do. Because if we dare speak out, charges of reverse bias, bigotry, whining, line cutting, belittling, attacking, and melodrama rain down above us. So I'll just leave it there. Peace out.
01-08-2017, 01:02 PM
#133
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Originally Posted by popcorn
I hear WAY, WAY more whining from the average straight, white, male pilot who has never faced any real form of discrimination than I do from any female or minority pilot, who has likely fought an uphill battle their entire career. We just shut our mouths and plug on. That's what the majority expects us to do. Because if we dare speak out, charges of reverse bias, bigotry, whining, line cutting, belittling, attacking, and melodrama rain down above us. So I'll just leave it there. Peace out.
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01-08-2017, 02:00 PM
#134
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Originally Posted by popcorn
That's what proves you're a racist. You're assuming i'm a minority, and thus got a free college education (and assume that minorities in general get free college educations?)
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01-08-2017, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by popcorn
This gem deserves its own response.
As I pointed out before, women make up about 5% of airline pilots. Reasons include societal norms and gender biases in upbringing. Women also have to take time off their career if they want a family. Until science finds a way to make men have babies (trust me, we're pulling for you), that time out from career going to keep women from getting the experience and credentials to advance in this industry. This is a big part of the glass ceiling (another real thing) and the fact that women make less than men who do the same jobs, and achieve less promotions. Penalties for taking that time off.
So when you see women treated as a minority in hiring, it's because they are when it comes to the industry demography. It's because corporations realize that these societal biases tilt the playing field away from minorities and women, and they want to level the playing field. Even with all of this "diversity hiring", the percentages of minorities and women in aviation has remained relatively unchanged. As for the popular theory that checking boxes is an immediate route to a dream job, the "happy monday" crowd knows better and has worked just as hard to get there as you, and in many cases, harder.
As I pointed out before, women make up about 5% of airline pilots. Reasons include societal norms and gender biases in upbringing. Women also have to take time off their career if they want a family. Until science finds a way to make men have babies (trust me, we're pulling for you), that time out from career going to keep women from getting the experience and credentials to advance in this industry. This is a big part of the glass ceiling (another real thing) and the fact that women make less than men who do the same jobs, and achieve less promotions. Penalties for taking that time off.
So when you see women treated as a minority in hiring, it's because they are when it comes to the industry demography. It's because corporations realize that these societal biases tilt the playing field away from minorities and women, and they want to level the playing field. Even with all of this "diversity hiring", the percentages of minorities and women in aviation has remained relatively unchanged. As for the popular theory that checking boxes is an immediate route to a dream job, the "happy monday" crowd knows better and has worked just as hard to get there as you, and in many cases, harder.
01-08-2017, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Hossharris
So if a female takes a year or two off work, you think she should come back to the same progression and station as the person that worked for that year or two??
01-08-2017, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hossharris
Because stay at home dads don't exist?
It's a choice to start a family. It has consequences .... good and bad.
It's a choice to start a family. It has consequences .... good and bad.
01-08-2017, 02:06 PM
#138
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Originally Posted by popcorn
I hear WAY, WAY more whining from the average straight, white, male pilot who has never faced any real form of discrimination than I do from any female or minority pilot, who has likely fought an uphill battle their entire career. We just shut our mouths and plug on. That's what the majority expects us to do. Because if we dare speak out, charges of reverse bias, bigotry, whining, line cutting, belittling, attacking, and melodrama rain down above us. So I'll just leave it there. Peace out.
01-08-2017, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by popcorn
Sure they do. and that's a choice.
Maybe you didn't do well in high school health class, but the physical requirements of pregnancy, recovery, and then nursing and postpartum issues *may slightly* impact her ability to perform this job, and necessitate she take time off. But why would a male understand that. Nothing changes for him unless he CHOOSES to stay home. Of course, having children or not having them is a choice (sometimes), but it's ultimately the woman's burden to deal with it.
Maybe you didn't do well in high school health class, but the physical requirements of pregnancy, recovery, and then nursing and postpartum issues *may slightly* impact her ability to perform this job, and necessitate she take time off. But why would a male understand that. Nothing changes for him unless he CHOOSES to stay home. Of course, having children or not having them is a choice (sometimes), but it's ultimately the woman's burden to deal with it.
01-08-2017, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Hossharris
We're quickly getting off on a tangent .... but in this era of modern technology and enlightenment, how is having a family ever not a choice? Sure it can be a surprise....but if someone is smart enough to fly airplanes they're surely smart enough to not get pregnant unintentionally.
Lack of planning, bad decisions, or lapses in responsibility shouldn't be everyone else's burden to bear.
Lack of planning, bad decisions, or lapses in responsibility shouldn't be everyone else's burden to bear.
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