popcorn

That's what proves you're a racist. You're assuming i'm a minority, and thus got a free college education (and assume that minorities in general get free college educations?)

popcorn

This gem deserves its own response.

As I pointed out before, women make up about 5% of airline pilots. Reasons include societal norms and gender biases in upbringing. Women also have to take time off their career if they want a family. Until science finds a way to make men have babies (trust me, we're pulling for you), that time out from career going to keep women from getting the experience and credentials to advance in this industry. This is a big part of the glass ceiling (another real thing) and the fact that women make less than men who do the same jobs, and achieve less promotions. Penalties for taking that time off.

So when you see women treated as a minority in hiring, it's because they are when it comes to the industry demography. It's because corporations realize that these societal biases tilt the playing field away from minorities and women, and they want to level the playing field. Even with all of this "diversity hiring", the percentages of minorities and women in aviation has remained relatively unchanged. As for the popular theory that checking boxes is an immediate route to a dream job, the "happy monday" crowd knows better and has worked just as hard to get there as you, and in many cases, harder.

APC225

But you can by force prevent a faction of people to not be able to do what they want to do. It's been our history.

Hossharris

So if a female takes a year or two off work, you think she should come back to the same progression and station as the person that worked for that year or two??

That may work at an airline, where seniority is everything.

But in an actual meritocracy it doesn't make any sense.

popcorn

I thought we were talking about airlines here?

And seniority only helps you when you're already hired. Let's consider how many female pilots working for regionals during the Lost Decade took a time out from their career (possibly missing out on upgrade) to start the family they had been putting off for years. That's a huge career handicap men don't even have to think about.

Hossharris

Because stay at home dads don't exist?

It's a choice to start a family. It has consequences .... good and bad.

popcorn

Sure they do. and that's a choice.

Maybe you didn't do well in high school health class, but the physical requirements of pregnancy, recovery, and then nursing and postpartum issues *may slightly* impact her ability to perform this job, and necessitate she take time off. But why would a male understand that. Nothing changes for him unless he CHOOSES to stay home. Of course, having children or not having them is a choice (sometimes), but it's ultimately the woman's burden to deal with it.

Hossharris

We're quickly getting off on a tangent .... but in this era of modern technology and enlightenment, how is having a family ever not a choice? Sure it can be a surprise....but if someone is smart enough to fly airplanes they're surely smart enough to not get pregnant unintentionally.

Lack of planning, bad decisions, or lapses in responsibility shouldn't be everyone else's burden to bear.

popcorn

Hahaha. spoken like a male indeed! If only men could have "surprises"!

Hossharris

You assume a lot, rainbow warrior.