4runner

I like my ACMI. I’m looking for another job, but grateful for this one. They treat us well and pay us ok.

nitefr8dog

That is not allowed! On this thread you are required to hate your company to respond!

ACMItrash

Funny how some love working extra days to get a "free ticket" to work. But the lack meaningful monthly credit from rigs, sit long 3-4 hour sits in the middle of the night and not get paid for it, have virtually no retirement but they love it. In stead of trying to improve it they encourage others to join in the race to the bottom! The guy that said their rate is higher than AMR obviously have never seen their monthly credit and their Retirement they get to work for free and get more days off because of it. I get it though working 16 or 17 in a row some love it!

Cujo665

Our travel is always scheduled as part of the 16 work days, not sure what goes on elsewhere.
We hardly ever fly above guarantee, so a rig doesn’t matter. We’re doing average 25-45 hours a month, but paid for 64 minimum.... lots of ways to bump monthly pay up without working extra days.
I’ve never had any 3-4 or more hour sits in the middle of the night. We don’t do cargo, and most flights are daytime departures.

Yeah, the rate is $13 ph hour higher than AA on same equipment, seat, longevity. Put the extra money towards retirement if you need to. I am intimately familiar with their deteriorating work rules and lagging legacy compensation. Lots of friends there and we compare notes regularly. Grass is not always greener pal. The guy living Maine, driving to Boston the day prior to early RAP, to JS to New York to sit reserve in a crashpad looks at my schedule, travel, hotels and pay and he does not agree with you.

It’s not about loving 16 day trips as much as loving the two week vacation every month, and being able to go places with the family every month.

Time off? I’m scheduled and being paid for 16 days. Most are long call and I’m at home. I have 6 flights for the whole month, 36 hours. Totals 7 nights away all month.

Not all ACMI’s are the same. I don’t doubt what you’re saying about the QOL at your carrier. We aren’t like that. The point is, different folks have different priorities. For many, a good ACMI like Kalitta or Omni, are acceptable careers. This is especially true for older guys who can’t afford to leave the left seat to go start over.

My place isn’t perfect, but it’s fine for me. Sorry your place is so bad. When is your CBA up for section 6? Rising Tides lift all boats, and the tide has been rising. Hopefully, your team can profit from the success of other groups.
Are you an ALPA or an APA?

Is it perfect? Heck no... I could gripe about a lot of things, but overall it’s a decent job and we’re treated and paid fairly. What good would griping here about the little things do anyway?

However, in the spirit of the thread....
I hate my ACMI !!!! Don’t come here !!!

We good now?

zerozero

I'm not picking on you, but I do think this comment needs some attention.

I know everyone experiences a little bad luck every now and then. Some more than others perhaps. But to every extent possible, this sort of situation must be avoided, ESPECIALLY in this highly volatile, easy come, easy go segment of the airline industry.

Everyone should be prepared to walk off the job, burn the place down and go start over again. That means carrying more in your "emergency fund" than your average person.

But since this isn't an average job, we need to plan a little differently.

I'm entirely prepared to turn my back on my seniority and pay rate if I need to. And most importantly, that allows me the freedom to fight for what I believe we rightfully deserve.

When you're begging for crumbs, you never get a seat at the table.

maxjet

Really? At what point do you decide to be part of a company? At what point do you decide to enjoy life? Are you going to be responsible for all the lives you effect when you burn it down? What a miserable selfish life you must lead. I cannot imagine living my life with the attitude of, screw everyone including my family.

Let me give you some advice. Life is about more than a job.

zerozero

I'm part of the company, when I'm A PART of the company. I'm obviously NOT a part of the company when the execs sabotage my profession they have so heavily profited from.

Your advice actually makes my point.

Life is indeed more than my job. I'm fully prepared to walk away when the times comes. Until then I fight to make it better for everyone in this industry.

You're welcome.

Cujo665

You took it out of context. The comparison was being older, in the left seat making decent money, having good work rules, to go start over at a legacy commuting on a JS, having no vacation time, only getting 3-4 days off between trips, using days off to commute, living in a crashpad like a college kid with a massive pay cut for three years or so.... and having less than 10 years - or so - left.

zerozero

That's fair.
Let's say you took my "burn it down" idea out of context.

I'm not saying the THREAT of burning the place down is the only way forward.

In fact, if you go back and look at my original comment I said, we should be PREPARED to burn the place down.

The freedom to be able to say, I will no longer sell myself short; I will no longer be THREATENED by a COMPANY SHUT DOWN; I will walk away if I must, is very empowering.

When we regard the company as our Daddy who will take care of our every need if only we are good little compliant suck ups is when we ultimately sell out ourselves, and everyone else.

Cujo665

You still don’t get what I was saying.

You have guys on here saying these ACMI jobs are all crap, go elsewhere. My point is simply that it is not always true. Not all ACMI’s are the same. Many older guys at good companies, with good pay, good benefits, good work rules, good quality of life aren’t going to leave to go elsewhere to start over. Nor do they need to.

Now, if you’re at a place that is toxic, no future, terrible contract, bad QOL, regional style wages and working conditions then it’s a different story.

Which bring me back again to my original post... every guys situation is different and a one size fits all, walk away attitude doesn’t work.