Amerijet
07-30-2021, 11:18 AM
#361
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 417
Originally Posted by Commit Aviation
Pump the brakes just a second. Is the old Teamsters contract we are under now great? Nope. But for you to surmise senior pilots will simply roll over and take it is incorrect. If you’re not happy then there’s the door. Plenty of airlines are hiring. Otherwise instead of griping anonymously here why not volunteer to roll up your sleeves and make a difference. One of our biggest plagues this past year has been a rash of pilots - whether furloughed or expat - who have brought nothing but **** poor attitudes here. Enough is enough. Not happy? Make an effort to help out or vote with your feet. Either way stow the attitude. You haven’t earned the right to say anything. It’s insulting to those who have, and who are, actually trying to improve this place.
Actually I am looking for the door and I'm not the only one. Also it's not just pilots that are leaving although I believe we are now over 40 resignations for the year, which is about 25% of the pilot group.
Who else has resigned in the last year?
The first Director of Operations resigned his post to become the new ALPA MEC
The next Director of Operations resigned to "spend time with family" or so we were told. His linked in profile showed his new position at National about 10 minutes after the company email came out.
The Director of Training resigned for UPS, Admittedly a step up
The next Director of Training resigned to go where? National again.
The interim Director of Training announced his resignation today.
The Chief Pilot resigned, not just from his post, but from the entire company.
So as of now Amerijet has no official Director of Operations, no Director of Training, and no Chief Pilot. Why do you suppose the people who get a good look behind the scenes are flocking away from this place.
Who has been hired at Amerijet in the past year?
Chief Commercial Officer
Head of Human Resources
VP of Safety
Director of Management and Pricing
VP of Operations
VP of Global Operations
Meanwhile we still have one (1) individual trying to schedule all the pilot training for our "explosive" growth
We have no hotel or transportation/travel person
No new flight forwarders
Maybe 1-2 new schedulers
Our 757 is basically a huge paperweight because we don't have manuals, training materials, or instructors to even operate the airplanes
So 6 new executive positions and no attention being paid to the operation. Does that sound like an airline that is trying to achieve "explosive" growth?, or does that sound like an airline that is trying to pack as many golden parachutes as possible before a merger or acquisition?
Keeping in mind our current CBA has absolutely no language protecting the pilot group in the event of a Merger or Acquisition.
07-31-2021, 06:52 AM
#362
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 493
You have a new top guy with deep skills and Industry connections, who is changing the way the company is doing things. It stands to reason that he's going to bring in his own folks on the executive level. That should be seen as a good thing.
As to the active operating posts, you're mixing apples and oranges by talking about the resignation of some people who worked under the old top guy. And you're seeing some people under the new guy, as he takes more control, finding other and better opportunities as Amerijet starts to be a credential that looks decent on a resume.
From a perspective way outside, this looks like a place that has lots of opportunity for people at all levels, but certainly isn't a stable predictable employer like a UPS. Some people thrive in one environment. Some people thrive in the other. Upheaval means opportunity. Complete stability means limitations on advancement. That's just the way it is. Most people like a combination of the two that yields their personally-desired combo of stability and opportunity, but those are kind of few and far between. It's a continuum, and Amerijet currently falls in one place on it. Hopefully, over the next few years, it'll move more to the other side of the spectrum as enthusiastic non-complainers jump into opportunity spots and try to make a difference, like your MEC, who fought hard for ALPA.
As to the active operating posts, you're mixing apples and oranges by talking about the resignation of some people who worked under the old top guy. And you're seeing some people under the new guy, as he takes more control, finding other and better opportunities as Amerijet starts to be a credential that looks decent on a resume.
From a perspective way outside, this looks like a place that has lots of opportunity for people at all levels, but certainly isn't a stable predictable employer like a UPS. Some people thrive in one environment. Some people thrive in the other. Upheaval means opportunity. Complete stability means limitations on advancement. That's just the way it is. Most people like a combination of the two that yields their personally-desired combo of stability and opportunity, but those are kind of few and far between. It's a continuum, and Amerijet currently falls in one place on it. Hopefully, over the next few years, it'll move more to the other side of the spectrum as enthusiastic non-complainers jump into opportunity spots and try to make a difference, like your MEC, who fought hard for ALPA.
07-31-2021, 08:19 AM
#363
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Posts: 5
Originally Posted by wjcandee
You have a new top guy with deep skills and Industry connections, who is changing the way the company is doing things. It stands to reason that he's going to bring in his own folks on the executive level. That should be seen as a good thing.
As to the active operating posts, you're mixing apples and oranges by talking about the resignation of some people who worked under the old top guy. And you're seeing some people under the new guy, as he takes more control, finding other and better opportunities as Amerijet starts to be a credential that looks decent on a resume.
From a perspective way outside, this looks like a place that has lots of opportunity for people at all levels, but certainly isn't a stable predictable employer like a UPS. Some people thrive in one environment. Some people thrive in the other. Upheaval means opportunity. Complete stability means limitations on advancement. That's just the way it is. Most people like a combination of the two that yields their personally-desired combo of stability and opportunity, but those are kind of few and far between. It's a continuum, and Amerijet currently falls in one place on it. Hopefully, over the next few years, it'll move more to the other side of the spectrum as enthusiastic non-complainers jump into opportunity spots and try to make a difference, like your MEC, who fought hard for ALPA.
As to the active operating posts, you're mixing apples and oranges by talking about the resignation of some people who worked under the old top guy. And you're seeing some people under the new guy, as he takes more control, finding other and better opportunities as Amerijet starts to be a credential that looks decent on a resume.
From a perspective way outside, this looks like a place that has lots of opportunity for people at all levels, but certainly isn't a stable predictable employer like a UPS. Some people thrive in one environment. Some people thrive in the other. Upheaval means opportunity. Complete stability means limitations on advancement. That's just the way it is. Most people like a combination of the two that yields their personally-desired combo of stability and opportunity, but those are kind of few and far between. It's a continuum, and Amerijet currently falls in one place on it. Hopefully, over the next few years, it'll move more to the other side of the spectrum as enthusiastic non-complainers jump into opportunity spots and try to make a difference, like your MEC, who fought hard for ALPA.
The MEC has been silent on these issues to the pilot group. Calling people “complainers” for voicing their well founded concerns about the revolving door of leadership, pilots, poor working conditions and their livelihood, makes me scared as a member of the pilot group if you are in fact MEC leadership. The ALPA name won’t do the work for the pilot group, but the MEC volunteers and elected reps have to.
Instead, there are ethical, spending, and professional issues surrounding some members of MEC that have made it into the pilot group already that would make eyes pop.
07-31-2021, 10:49 AM
#365
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Originally Posted by wjcandee
As I said, my observations were from "way outside".
08-02-2021, 10:56 AM
#366
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Posts: 493
Originally Posted by 478driver
I would invite you to gather the facts and talk to actual pilots going through this operation then rather than making baseless claims that you know nothing about. You wouldn’t be praising the MEC if you had them.
08-02-2021, 06:25 PM
#367
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Posts: 5
Originally Posted by wjcandee
I didn't say I knew nothing, pal. I certainly stand by the very very little that I said about your MEC.
Pilots don’t want your way outside look, they want to know what it’s actually like, which is why people come to these forums for employment decisions. People are voting with their feet and walking out of here like an exodus and for good reason.
I’ll just say this too about the current state of affairs at Amerijet: it says a lot about the company when a former FAA POI also resigns.
08-03-2021, 06:38 AM
#368
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Posts: 493
Originally Posted by 478driver
Any one is welcome to PM more for more information and facts rather than your well timed “way outside look” that whoever may have put you up to.
I've been around these forums a long time; nobody's "putting me up to" anything. You posted something, I thought it was interesting, and I responded with a post from my own perspective.
I think it's a little presumptuous for you to try to bully me into not speaking by saying that nobody cares what I think. I'm not so sure that that's true, and even if it is, it's kind of up to me to decide whether to post into a void where nobody cares what I say.
It seems like the only drama being created here is by you. Everybody else seems to ask questions, get a variety of answers, and make their own decisions.
Amerijet is in a state of flux. It will be an opportunity for some who want to take advantage of that, and it will be not a good fit for others, who apparently include you.
Good luck with your future career (seriously -- because I'm always civil to and hopeful for even folks who disagree with me).
08-03-2021, 07:14 AM
#369
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 5
Originally Posted by wjcandee
I'm concerned that perhaps you should remove your tinfoil hat before reading my posts. I know that conspiracy theories of all kinds abound in pilot lounges, but it's a big leap to try to turn a pretty-straightforward, fairly-innocuous post into some kind of devilish propoganda.
I've been around these forums a long time; nobody's "putting me up to" anything. You posted something, I thought it was interesting, and I responded with a post from my own perspective.
I think it's a little presumptuous for you to try to bully me into not speaking by saying that nobody cares what I think. I'm not so sure that that's true, and even if it is, it's kind of up to me to decide whether to post into a void where nobody cares what I say.
It seems like the only drama being created here is by you. Everybody else seems to ask questions, get a variety of answers, and make their own decisions.
Amerijet is in a state of flux. It will be an opportunity for some who want to take advantage of that, and it will be not a good fit for others, who apparently include you.
Good luck with your future career (seriously -- because I'm always civil to and hopeful for even folks who disagree with me).
I've been around these forums a long time; nobody's "putting me up to" anything. You posted something, I thought it was interesting, and I responded with a post from my own perspective.
I think it's a little presumptuous for you to try to bully me into not speaking by saying that nobody cares what I think. I'm not so sure that that's true, and even if it is, it's kind of up to me to decide whether to post into a void where nobody cares what I say.
It seems like the only drama being created here is by you. Everybody else seems to ask questions, get a variety of answers, and make their own decisions.
Amerijet is in a state of flux. It will be an opportunity for some who want to take advantage of that, and it will be not a good fit for others, who apparently include you.
Good luck with your future career (seriously -- because I'm always civil to and hopeful for even folks who disagree with me).
08-03-2021, 10:39 AM
#370
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 417
Originally Posted by wjcandee
You have a new top guy with deep skills and Industry connections, who is changing the way the company is doing things. It stands to reason that he's going to bring in his own folks on the executive level. That should be seen as a good thing.
As to the active operating posts, you're mixing apples and oranges by talking about the resignation of some people who worked under the old top guy. And you're seeing some people under the new guy, as he takes more control, finding other and better opportunities as Amerijet starts to be a credential that looks decent on a resume.
From a perspective way outside, this looks like a place that has lots of opportunity for people at all levels, but certainly isn't a stable predictable employer like a UPS. Some people thrive in one environment. Some people thrive in the other. Upheaval means opportunity. Complete stability means limitations on advancement. That's just the way it is. Most people like a combination of the two that yields their personally-desired combo of stability and opportunity, but those are kind of few and far between. It's a continuum, and Amerijet currently falls in one place on it. Hopefully, over the next few years, it'll move more to the other side of the spectrum as enthusiastic non-complainers jump into opportunity spots and try to make a difference, like your MEC, who fought hard for ALPA.
As to the active operating posts, you're mixing apples and oranges by talking about the resignation of some people who worked under the old top guy. And you're seeing some people under the new guy, as he takes more control, finding other and better opportunities as Amerijet starts to be a credential that looks decent on a resume.
From a perspective way outside, this looks like a place that has lots of opportunity for people at all levels, but certainly isn't a stable predictable employer like a UPS. Some people thrive in one environment. Some people thrive in the other. Upheaval means opportunity. Complete stability means limitations on advancement. That's just the way it is. Most people like a combination of the two that yields their personally-desired combo of stability and opportunity, but those are kind of few and far between. It's a continuum, and Amerijet currently falls in one place on it. Hopefully, over the next few years, it'll move more to the other side of the spectrum as enthusiastic non-complainers jump into opportunity spots and try to make a difference, like your MEC, who fought hard for ALPA.
You're correct. We do have a new top guy, that new top guy has been here for nearly a year and has still made negligible attempts to correct the glaring issues that plague this airline. Now I don't believe he is being negligent to be malicious, nor do I believe he is being negligent because he's stupid. I think he is very intelligent and as you said he has deep skills and industry connections. Which leads to the most logical conclusion that if he is failing to correct the huge issues, it is because he has no reason or motivation to correct the huge issues. In short our smart skilled leader is doing this on purpose.
If the ship is heading for an iceberg and the captain has been told there's an iceberg, and he can see the iceberg, and the junior officers are all getting into life boats and the captain still isn't turning the ship then i think it's safe to say the captain wants to hit the iceberg. Meanwhile he's trying to tell the rest of the crew that it's full speed ahead, all is well here, we're making great time...
I appreciate that your perspective is from way outside Amerijet and you just came here to share your thoughts, however your post seems to try to give the impression that this place will be the next Jetblue. The reality is that based on the current trajectory it is much more likely that Amerijet will be the next Valuejet.
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