Interesting phone call
07-15-2007, 10:24 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by lenkelly
Gentlemen,
As you see from my screen name I’m Len Kelly A-300 Assistant Chief Pilot. Yesterday I received a phone call that informed me that sensitive information in the form of names and employee numbers of FedEx pilots were posted on this forum. By the time I had logged on the information had been removed by the moderator.
While searching for the posting I read several threads regarding the proposed LOA. What stood out to me was that no one was using his or her real names. I was wondering are we working for the same Company or members of the same Association? It was less than a year ago that nearly every bag in the crew room had “My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me” tags. I was at the meeting at the Hilton where nearly every seat was filled and Bob Chimenti and your negotiating committee were greeted with a standing ovation and were heroes to all. Not surprisingly the Agreement was ratified by an overwhelming 95% of our pilots.
Now, the Company wants to open new domiciles to further enhance growth in the fastest growing segments of our business and wants to give us additional benefits on top of our previously mentioned industry leading contract. Now, it’s off with their heads and we’re getting screwed.
If you want your opinions to matter and your questions answered you need to use your name. Why, to evaluate your credibility that’s why. I am out in the crew lounge every chance I get to meet with the pilots and trying to help in any way I can and I take some shots, part of the job. Your elected and volunteer MEC officials are out in front doing work for you and they are taking shots every day, part of the job. You see them and can evaluate their credibility. You are not giving the same opportunity for others to evaluate your credibility.
The bottom line is this, I believe that anonymous postings on a free Website are worth exactly what you pay for them and you are doing your fellow pilots a disservice if you pass on bad information. If you want answers to specific questions or want clarification on intent, call the Company or the Association. Don’t rely on your fellow bloggers for information, they do not know, they deal in rumor not in fact. If you think you could do better, volunteer at the Association or interview for a management position. If you have a better way of doing things and are not willing to do anything about it except criticize others behind a screen name you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
I won’t be a regular reader or contributor to this site. If you need to speak with me please stop by or call my office or send me an email.
Len Kelly
As you see from my screen name I’m Len Kelly A-300 Assistant Chief Pilot. Yesterday I received a phone call that informed me that sensitive information in the form of names and employee numbers of FedEx pilots were posted on this forum. By the time I had logged on the information had been removed by the moderator.
While searching for the posting I read several threads regarding the proposed LOA. What stood out to me was that no one was using his or her real names. I was wondering are we working for the same Company or members of the same Association? It was less than a year ago that nearly every bag in the crew room had “My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me” tags. I was at the meeting at the Hilton where nearly every seat was filled and Bob Chimenti and your negotiating committee were greeted with a standing ovation and were heroes to all. Not surprisingly the Agreement was ratified by an overwhelming 95% of our pilots.
Now, the Company wants to open new domiciles to further enhance growth in the fastest growing segments of our business and wants to give us additional benefits on top of our previously mentioned industry leading contract. Now, it’s off with their heads and we’re getting screwed.
If you want your opinions to matter and your questions answered you need to use your name. Why, to evaluate your credibility that’s why. I am out in the crew lounge every chance I get to meet with the pilots and trying to help in any way I can and I take some shots, part of the job. Your elected and volunteer MEC officials are out in front doing work for you and they are taking shots every day, part of the job. You see them and can evaluate their credibility. You are not giving the same opportunity for others to evaluate your credibility.
The bottom line is this, I believe that anonymous postings on a free Website are worth exactly what you pay for them and you are doing your fellow pilots a disservice if you pass on bad information. If you want answers to specific questions or want clarification on intent, call the Company or the Association. Don’t rely on your fellow bloggers for information, they do not know, they deal in rumor not in fact. If you think you could do better, volunteer at the Association or interview for a management position. If you have a better way of doing things and are not willing to do anything about it except criticize others behind a screen name you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
I won’t be a regular reader or contributor to this site. If you need to speak with me please stop by or call my office or send me an email.
Len Kelly
07-15-2007, 10:31 AM
#33
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Len,
Glad you are on here.
I liked seeing you in the AOC immediately after you got the job. You seem to want to put a face with the name, and your work in the Reserves, the union, and now management gives you a bit more credibility than the average bear. I know you've been a various sides of several different desks.
My one question--and I WILL stop by and ask you about 'bus life and some other issues--is WHY is the STV even in there for 3 months if it is not the "intent" to use it?
I'll tell you the same thing I said at the block meeting to our union guys--if you can find a way to make a pen and ink change to the LOA from up to 90 days to "up to 30 days", you might have a lot easier time selling this.
And this isn't about YOUR credibility--its just the fact that you probably won't the the ACP forever. What happens when someone else has to make the call? Will it be an ACP decision or will that be driven from someone trying to make a bonus that I only know from reading AOD Today?
There are a lot of people taking the concern about this LOA personally. BC was hot at the meeting and seemed to think this was about "him". Its not. Worrying about being sent 90 days away from home is the issue--not a personal one.
What do you say, besides "don't bid the bus...", to guys who are concerned about being non-vol'd overseas for extended periods?
Respectfully,
Albie
(thats 727 FO Aaron Hagan if it matters...)
Glad you are on here.
I liked seeing you in the AOC immediately after you got the job. You seem to want to put a face with the name, and your work in the Reserves, the union, and now management gives you a bit more credibility than the average bear. I know you've been a various sides of several different desks.
My one question--and I WILL stop by and ask you about 'bus life and some other issues--is WHY is the STV even in there for 3 months if it is not the "intent" to use it?
I'll tell you the same thing I said at the block meeting to our union guys--if you can find a way to make a pen and ink change to the LOA from up to 90 days to "up to 30 days", you might have a lot easier time selling this.
And this isn't about YOUR credibility--its just the fact that you probably won't the the ACP forever. What happens when someone else has to make the call? Will it be an ACP decision or will that be driven from someone trying to make a bonus that I only know from reading AOD Today?
There are a lot of people taking the concern about this LOA personally. BC was hot at the meeting and seemed to think this was about "him". Its not. Worrying about being sent 90 days away from home is the issue--not a personal one.
What do you say, besides "don't bid the bus...", to guys who are concerned about being non-vol'd overseas for extended periods?
Respectfully,
Albie
(thats 727 FO Aaron Hagan if it matters...)
07-15-2007, 10:32 AM
#34
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: FDX Airbus F/O
Posts: 152
Sorry, NOT intimidated but NO....
You thought you were busy as a ACP wait till some us get inversed to HKG and watch how busy you will be..
Go into your management meeting and bring us something better.. No invol for starters.. You were a Military guy remember???
You thought you were busy as a ACP wait till some us get inversed to HKG and watch how busy you will be..
Go into your management meeting and bring us something better.. No invol for starters.. You were a Military guy remember???
07-15-2007, 10:40 AM
#35
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Posts: 258
So censorship is the answer. Albi and Len dont get it. A weblob is the most free of free speach. Its easy to read when one is flaming another or misinformed. We dont need to ask only you or the union.
As for mgmt out in the crew loung, go back to your office and do your job. Haning out and BSing while we brief solves no poblems adressses no issuses. We know who you are and can call or stop in. But we dont. We choose to use this free speach forum.
As for mgmt out in the crew loung, go back to your office and do your job. Haning out and BSing while we brief solves no poblems adressses no issuses. We know who you are and can call or stop in. But we dont. We choose to use this free speach forum.
07-15-2007, 11:05 AM
#36
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Off the topic, but an honest question.
Are my name and employee number really sensitive information? Or are some people just upset that they were listed as people who flew DP's --- I think - the list was gone before I ever saw it.
If it is so sensitive though, then why do I give it to every hotel driver on the sign in sheet? Why is it on my ID as I walk through airports? Why am I allowed to give this number to other airline employees when I jumpseat? Why is my number available to any other employee to look up?
Are my name and employee number really sensitive information? Or are some people just upset that they were listed as people who flew DP's --- I think - the list was gone before I ever saw it.
If it is so sensitive though, then why do I give it to every hotel driver on the sign in sheet? Why is it on my ID as I walk through airports? Why am I allowed to give this number to other airline employees when I jumpseat? Why is my number available to any other employee to look up?
07-15-2007, 11:44 AM
#37
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fdxflyer - I was thinking exactly the same thing as you.
How many flight plans with flight numbers, times, fuels, names, and employee numbers are indiscriminately chunked in the trash? At the house, I shred anything and everything that could compromise my id. It must not be that important since any dumpster diver can probably get names and employee numbers at any number of FedEx facilities.
How many flight plans with flight numbers, times, fuels, names, and employee numbers are indiscriminately chunked in the trash? At the house, I shred anything and everything that could compromise my id. It must not be that important since any dumpster diver can probably get names and employee numbers at any number of FedEx facilities.
07-15-2007, 11:50 AM
#38
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Position: 757 Capt
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Len,
welcome aboard.
I can understand your desire not to post frequently since various folks would hold your posts as company policy versus personal opinion, but, lurking would probably give you a better idea of what concerns the crew force at any given time. And expose you to opinions that you probably rarely encounter at your level.
I would also submit to you that frequently the information that is shared in this forum is priceless. The shared experiences of people in bidding, and working with our current and previous contract have helped many individuals in their interactions with the company. Often a misunderstanding of the contract has been cleared up here, versus requiring other intervention.
One of the biggest losses to this forum was when TonyC was elected a rep and his postings have diminished accordingly.
While my name isn't my real name, it is only a PM away.
This LOA is of great concern to the more junior members of FedEx. While it is a minor improvement, in several ways, many of us feel like it establishes a poor precedent for future FDA growth and is insufficient given the productivity gains FedEx will enjoy with these two new domiciles. And, while many people are dogging BC, just as many people step up when someone steps beyond the line.
I am sure you are as cognizant of the deterioration of the BUS lines just as much as the SIG is. While I don't have the economic models available, it seems as if the company is striving to fly to the limits of the contract and raising the individual productivity high enough to make the "gains" of our recent contract essentially revenue neutral. (certainly well within the rights of the company to do so). But given that, why would you expect us to give the company a blank check on the FDAs simply because my NC speaks for me. They did negotiate, I find it lacking, and I am voting no.
There is something that you can help with though. Both the company and the MEC have assured us that a thorough site survey of both FDA's was accomplished and that sufficient housing (at the limited reimbursement rate), medical care, and schooling are available. So, perhaps you could use your position to post that information on P.F.C.
Surely there was a powerpoint presentation created to outline the key points for you to communicate.
welcome aboard.
I can understand your desire not to post frequently since various folks would hold your posts as company policy versus personal opinion, but, lurking would probably give you a better idea of what concerns the crew force at any given time. And expose you to opinions that you probably rarely encounter at your level.
I would also submit to you that frequently the information that is shared in this forum is priceless. The shared experiences of people in bidding, and working with our current and previous contract have helped many individuals in their interactions with the company. Often a misunderstanding of the contract has been cleared up here, versus requiring other intervention.
One of the biggest losses to this forum was when TonyC was elected a rep and his postings have diminished accordingly.
While my name isn't my real name, it is only a PM away.
This LOA is of great concern to the more junior members of FedEx. While it is a minor improvement, in several ways, many of us feel like it establishes a poor precedent for future FDA growth and is insufficient given the productivity gains FedEx will enjoy with these two new domiciles. And, while many people are dogging BC, just as many people step up when someone steps beyond the line.
I am sure you are as cognizant of the deterioration of the BUS lines just as much as the SIG is. While I don't have the economic models available, it seems as if the company is striving to fly to the limits of the contract and raising the individual productivity high enough to make the "gains" of our recent contract essentially revenue neutral. (certainly well within the rights of the company to do so). But given that, why would you expect us to give the company a blank check on the FDAs simply because my NC speaks for me. They did negotiate, I find it lacking, and I am voting no.
There is something that you can help with though. Both the company and the MEC have assured us that a thorough site survey of both FDA's was accomplished and that sufficient housing (at the limited reimbursement rate), medical care, and schooling are available. So, perhaps you could use your position to post that information on P.F.C.
Surely there was a powerpoint presentation created to outline the key points for you to communicate.
07-15-2007, 12:15 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
Albie,
It'll be interesting to see if your ACP "friend" really does post here. I would be willing to bet he could lose his cushy management job for doing that (and not having the many company lawyers sanitize his "thoughts" first).
As far as posting anonymously goes ... I have a good friend, that when he was called in by the SCP to be counseled about a poor decision he had made, that many of his postings from public bulletin boards like this one WERE IN HIS COMPANY PERSONNEL JACKET!. So ... I'd prefer to remain anonymous for that reason, but I always try to be careful about what I say just in case I have to defend it to management at a later date!
Who would have guessed it's someone’s job to copy this stuff and file it in pilot's personnel files? Are you paranoid if they really are out to get you?
Regards,
Mayday Mark (not my real name).
It'll be interesting to see if your ACP "friend" really does post here. I would be willing to bet he could lose his cushy management job for doing that (and not having the many company lawyers sanitize his "thoughts" first).
As far as posting anonymously goes ... I have a good friend, that when he was called in by the SCP to be counseled about a poor decision he had made, that many of his postings from public bulletin boards like this one WERE IN HIS COMPANY PERSONNEL JACKET!. So ... I'd prefer to remain anonymous for that reason, but I always try to be careful about what I say just in case I have to defend it to management at a later date!
Who would have guessed it's someone’s job to copy this stuff and file it in pilot's personnel files? Are you paranoid if they really are out to get you?
Regards,
Mayday Mark (not my real name).
Happened to me in a998, circa Black Thursday!
Mark (my real name
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