Interesting phone call
07-15-2007, 06:46 PM
#61
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: MD11 F/O
Posts: 129
Len,
I don't get the importance of management knowing specifically who we are. My buddies know my screen name and that is all that matters to me. If managment wants to determine the credibility of an individual's screen name, you need only review the sumation of post for that given screen name and evaluate those post for accuracy, implied hire date and overall tone. Someone once told me that the truth has a ring and a tone all it's own and you know it when you hear it. Perhaps you should view all the posts on this site that way. Even though you personally may have the best intentions for knowing who you are communicating with, once information is compiled by managment you never know how it is going to be used or maintained.
Most of us are very proud of who we are, and we have spent too long becoming Fedex pilots to try to hide or falsify our identity on-line. Who and what we are generally comes through in our posts. In truth, the veneer of a screen name is mighty thin if you want remain anonymous on this site for very long.
I don't get the importance of management knowing specifically who we are. My buddies know my screen name and that is all that matters to me. If managment wants to determine the credibility of an individual's screen name, you need only review the sumation of post for that given screen name and evaluate those post for accuracy, implied hire date and overall tone. Someone once told me that the truth has a ring and a tone all it's own and you know it when you hear it. Perhaps you should view all the posts on this site that way. Even though you personally may have the best intentions for knowing who you are communicating with, once information is compiled by managment you never know how it is going to be used or maintained.
Most of us are very proud of who we are, and we have spent too long becoming Fedex pilots to try to hide or falsify our identity on-line. Who and what we are generally comes through in our posts. In truth, the veneer of a screen name is mighty thin if you want remain anonymous on this site for very long.
07-15-2007, 06:58 PM
#62
Living the dream!
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: MD-11 Capt
Posts: 915
Originally Posted by fdxflyer
Off the topic, but an honest question.
Are my name and employee number really sensitive information? Or are some people just upset that they were listed as people who flew DP's --- I think - the list was gone before I ever saw it.
If it is so sensitive though, then why do I give it to every hotel driver on the sign in sheet? Why is it on my ID as I walk through airports? Why am I allowed to give this number to other airline employees when I jumpseat? Why is my number available to any other employee to look up?
Are my name and employee number really sensitive information? Or are some people just upset that they were listed as people who flew DP's --- I think - the list was gone before I ever saw it.
If it is so sensitive though, then why do I give it to every hotel driver on the sign in sheet? Why is it on my ID as I walk through airports? Why am I allowed to give this number to other airline employees when I jumpseat? Why is my number available to any other employee to look up?
Bingo! We have a winner!
07-15-2007, 07:23 PM
#63
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: ANC-Based MD-11 FO
Posts: 328
Len,
Management has a history of slamming pilots for the tinest infraction while non-pilot employees seem to get off with nothing when they violate company rules or procedures. Management has never shared with the pilots the results of the Enders Safety Review. Supporting offices like the guy who builds VTO lines for ANC and some of the crew audit folks are absolutely rude, go out of their way to not help us or simply fail to do their job, things which cost us money and time. Yet nothing ever changes, they continue with management's support.
Frankly, I will never identify myself on this board because I simply don't trust any of you.
Management has a history of slamming pilots for the tinest infraction while non-pilot employees seem to get off with nothing when they violate company rules or procedures. Management has never shared with the pilots the results of the Enders Safety Review. Supporting offices like the guy who builds VTO lines for ANC and some of the crew audit folks are absolutely rude, go out of their way to not help us or simply fail to do their job, things which cost us money and time. Yet nothing ever changes, they continue with management's support.
Frankly, I will never identify myself on this board because I simply don't trust any of you.
07-15-2007, 07:25 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 478
Originally Posted by lenkelly
Now, the Company wants to open new domiciles to further enhance growth in the fastest growing segments of our business and wants to give us additional benefits on top of our previously mentioned industry leading contract.
The company wants to open new domiciles and wants us to give up nearly every bit of our previously negotiated FDA and Relocation benefits of the CBA in lieu of a joke of a housing/moving allowance.
Do you REALLY believe your words? Do you REALLY believe these are additional benefits? My understanding of the word "additional", means you have something and ADD something to it. Taking away what you have and giving you something else is called SUBSTITUTION. The company and curiously enough, our Union, wants to SUBSTITUTE a lousy benefit for the waiver of work rules and numerous allowances. What is "additional" about that?
07-15-2007, 08:07 PM
#65
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Drinking from the fire hose
Posts: 305
Originally Posted by de727ups
I'm not sure this is the proper forum for a management guy to "address the troops".
I can say if this was about Brown and a Brown management guy came on here, he would need to be careful how he came across. A hot shot management guy gets no more respect here than 500 hour Xjet new hire. That's how the internet works.
This isn't the place for a "come to Jesus" talk from managment, if that's what might happen. If your managment guy wants to come here with an open mind seeking information, input, and a forum to express his opinion, then more power to him. If he comes here to intimidate or coerce on behalf of his employer, well, that's not gonna go over to well with those of us who help run this place....speaking only for myself, of course.
You Fedex guys kinda run your own deal here at APC. It's low threat and requires little moderation input, outside the recent problemo. I'm kinda hoping we can keep it that way....
I can say if this was about Brown and a Brown management guy came on here, he would need to be careful how he came across. A hot shot management guy gets no more respect here than 500 hour Xjet new hire. That's how the internet works.
This isn't the place for a "come to Jesus" talk from managment, if that's what might happen. If your managment guy wants to come here with an open mind seeking information, input, and a forum to express his opinion, then more power to him. If he comes here to intimidate or coerce on behalf of his employer, well, that's not gonna go over to well with those of us who help run this place....speaking only for myself, of course.
You Fedex guys kinda run your own deal here at APC. It's low threat and requires little moderation input, outside the recent problemo. I'm kinda hoping we can keep it that way....
). Although he says he won't be a regular reader/input, I'm so glad he came here with "an open mind seeking information, input, and a forum to express his opinion". Maybe next time we could get real answers from him vice a "spanking" for not using our real names which in his opinion gives us all no credibility. I can't believe any of us are wasting our time commenting on his post.
07-15-2007, 09:04 PM
#66
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Posts: 4,357
"Thank God you were here to moderate our input from management"
HAHA. I never said I'd moderate his post. I was trying to warning him of how to treat his first post at APC, especially coming here with an ulterior motive as a management guy. I can only moderate TOS violations. I can't moderate a guy just cause he's management...
As hard as I looked, I could only find one minor slam against APC (implying what is said here is worthless), and that was easy to overlook. The rest is up to you Fedex guys and whatever the popular opinion turns out to be.
I'd say he isn't winning much sympathy towards his point of view, but that's just my opinion based on what I've read so far....
HAHA. I never said I'd moderate his post. I was trying to warning him of how to treat his first post at APC, especially coming here with an ulterior motive as a management guy. I can only moderate TOS violations. I can't moderate a guy just cause he's management...
As hard as I looked, I could only find one minor slam against APC (implying what is said here is worthless), and that was easy to overlook. The rest is up to you Fedex guys and whatever the popular opinion turns out to be.
I'd say he isn't winning much sympathy towards his point of view, but that's just my opinion based on what I've read so far....
07-16-2007, 02:01 AM
#68
Nice lookin' tree, there!
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: MD-11, old man
Posts: 2,198
Originally Posted by Micro
Although it doesn't seem to get used much. ALPA has a weboard with a FDX section. If you don't care your name being used, maybe we should start arguing these points there also. Step up to the plate you wimps ( not calling any names! ).
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Any ideas how it works? PM me please, or put it here if you can.brgds,
fbh
07-16-2007, 03:05 AM
#69
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FDX A300 CPT
Posts: 967
how many tigers guys does it take to change a light bulb?
all of them...1 to turn the new bulb and the rest to tell u how great the old one was!!!!
jokes only!
all of them...1 to turn the new bulb and the rest to tell u how great the old one was!!!!
jokes only!
Last edited by CaptainMark; 07-16-2007 at 06:39 AM.
07-16-2007, 03:45 AM
#70
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A300 Capt
Posts: 156
Originally Posted by CaptainMark
how many tigers guys does it take to screw in a light bulb?
all of them...1 to turn the new bulb and the rest to tell u how great the old one was!!!!
jokes only!
all of them...1 to turn the new bulb and the rest to tell u how great the old one was!!!!
jokes only!
That' going in your file
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