FDX - ANC Disputed Update
03-03-2008, 01:27 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by hschol
From an ANC meeting a few months ago, I believe JS, gave a very good talk on DP's. If the trip is picked up and called in sick, it is considered flown.
03-03-2008, 02:30 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by Purple F/O
I call BS on this. The more expensive it is for the company, the less likely that it will continue to be built that way. If every eligible pilot picked up the DPs, then mil leaved them, then someone picked it up and called in sick for it, then the reservist on the trip called in fatigued, then we would see an end to these trips.
I do agree with your fatigue call, though.
03-03-2008, 02:41 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by hschol
From an ANC meeting a few months ago, I believe JS, gave a very good talk on DP's. If the trip is picked up and called in sick, it is considered flown.
03-03-2008, 05:05 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Cliffy170
I guess the operative word in both of your posts is "Flies". But, if that is true, why all of the preemptive strikes? I know a lot of pilots will fly the trips they have: traded for, picked-up in open time, requested for VTO, or volunteered for. True, some will try to drop them now that some observant and motivated individuals have brought it to their attention (and to the attention of their APC peers) but, most will not, citing various excuses.
RV has a good point but what's past is prologue. There were opportunities to stand up for quality of life issues that were neglected during negotiations. Mostly, the MEM crews that flew published DP's without fear of retribution, or admonition were the root cause, and still are. Do you think we should stop harassing (have we even started?) our fellow pilots or, should we turn up the heat?
Slings and arrows. Metaphorically mentioned already:
1. Public pillory (I guess this counts as a public forum)
2. Education
3. Cold cockpits (attitude not temperature)
4. E-mails
Tongue-in-cheek, our frail pilot egos are affected when our peers see us as anything but a team player. Although some seem to delight in it. Why?
Cliffy <------ stepping down from soap box.
RV has a good point but what's past is prologue. There were opportunities to stand up for quality of life issues that were neglected during negotiations. Mostly, the MEM crews that flew published DP's without fear of retribution, or admonition were the root cause, and still are. Do you think we should stop harassing (have we even started?) our fellow pilots or, should we turn up the heat?
Slings and arrows. Metaphorically mentioned already:
1. Public pillory (I guess this counts as a public forum)
2. Education
3. Cold cockpits (attitude not temperature)
4. E-mails
Tongue-in-cheek, our frail pilot egos are affected when our peers see us as anything but a team player. Although some seem to delight in it. Why?
Cliffy <------ stepping down from soap box.
03-03-2008, 05:10 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by Cujo
Again..so it's OK to pick up a DP trip (for 60-80 hrs + training + vacation) and call in sick and get paid for it...and as long as I didn't "fly it"...it's OK??? Purple Nugget here trying to learn from my mentors...Thanks
03-03-2008, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple F/O
I call BS on this. The more expensive it is for the company, the less likely that it will continue to be built that way. If every eligible pilot picked up the DPs, then mil leaved them, then someone picked it up and called in sick for it, then the reservist on the trip called in fatigued, then we would see an end to these trips.
If it is disputed - don't touch it. Leaving it in open time to be assigned by crew scheduling to a reserve is the only way the dispute has a chance of working. It is that simple!
03-03-2008, 05:19 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by Cujo
Again..so it's OK to pick up a DP trip (for 60-80 hrs + training + vacation) and call in sick and get paid for it...and as long as I didn't "fly it"...it's OK??? Purple Nugget here trying to learn from my mentors...Thanks
BTW, ANC guys, THANKS ! We need some serious help in MEM. I am tired of the "I did not know it was a dispute, or I made a mistake, and now it is too late to fix due to a lack of OT..." blah, blah, blah... MEM pilots should have no problem dropping any trip right now. Those of you who picked up disputes do have an alternative, DROP the trip. Live in OT and fix your problem, maybe it will make you think twice next time around. Financial pain will do that sometimes !
03-03-2008, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple F/O
I call BS on this. The more expensive it is for the company, the less likely that it will continue to be built that way. If every eligible pilot picked up the DPs, then mil leaved them, then someone picked it up and called in sick for it, then the reservist on the trip called in fatigued, then we would see an end to these trips.
Folks, If a DP is picked up (not on reserve) out of open time three times for ANY reason, whether it is going to be flown or not, it becomes no longer disputable in the future. So you guys defending these DP "picker-uppers" go to the Head-Butt doctor and get it pulled out.
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