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Old 04-12-2006, 04:33 PM   #21  
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There are just so many $$$$ in the pot. The IPA can divide it any way it wants to. In the end, the captains will benefit the most; they always do.
 
Old 04-12-2006, 05:56 PM   #22  
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So many $$ in the pot?? Not true in this case. There are enough dollars to rectify this contract and make it appropriate. It's not like we are asking for a Delta/United pre-9/11 contract. Just make us on par with FedEx, who by the way are about to get an even better contract as well.
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I would beg to differ that UPS is indeed attracting "quality pilots". Also, new hires do pay union dues, but are not represented by the IPA.

No they do not pay union due until their second year.

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Old 04-12-2006, 07:17 PM   #24  
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Yeah, I meant initiation fees regarding union dues.

15-20% more than FedEx for FO would be pushing it. But I agree if FO pay is below the FedEX widebody scale, I'll be voting no. More and more newhires are getting off probation and it is changing the dynamics of the pilot group. Call me a dreamer, but I think a TA will come next month and it will be one that we all will be somehat happy with.
Wishful Thinking. But I can already tell all you care about, or at least talk about, is money. I, and many others will be voting NO because of Art. 13. Deadheading up to 18 hours. Sleeping on Floors. Very few Commercials. Forced Overtime. If this comes out, they can shove it up their ass. Screw the money, the wife going to take half, since your never home. And then you'll die at 61. No way.
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You are so wrong. I have been told, face to face, that we are asking for a pre-911 contract. This from Tom and Jim at different times. What I'm really afraid of is a "Cost Nuetral" contract. This is what is happening. Whatever pay raise we get, the company will get it back in spades with our Scheduling article. Read Article 13!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why only match FedEx? We're far more profitable a company; we should be negotiating pay that is 15 to 20% above the FedEx pay rate sheet.

I think our negotiators will send us a POS T/A that we'll have to stamp "no" to.
I think you guys should go for UAL +1%.





Easy guys, just kidding.....
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Old 04-12-2006, 08:00 PM   #27  
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UPS is going to raise their 1st year pay when they have to, and right now, with the carnage going on in the industry, they dont have to.
No one on the property is going to negotiate away one thing to fix the first year pay either, no matter how much they might say otherwise.

Folks hire on knowing what they are getting into, I'm not saying it shouldn't
be better, and having recently endured it, I know, but if you are going to concentrate your angst, it should be on scope, scope, and scope. No one is going to vote NO if the only thing they don't like in the TA is low 1st year pay, period.

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There are just so many $$$$ in the pot. The IPA can divide it any way it wants to. In the end, the captains will benefit the most; they always do.
Managers (you) should just just shut up and color. Go give Barr a reach-around and leave this forum to the real pilots
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In the 767, you CAN sleep on the floor if you use the catering box, ball up your overcoat and jacket and use them as a pillow...in front of the galley. ANYTHING is possible.

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Money? I guess you are right. I'll sleep on the floor if you pay me enough.
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You are so wrong. I have been told, face to face, that we are asking for a pre-911 contract. This from Tom and Jim at different times. What I'm really afraid of is a "Cost Nuetral" contract. This is what is happening. Whatever pay raise we get, the company will get it back in spades with our Scheduling article. Read Article 13!!!!!!!!!!!
I heard that some doing the negotiations want to sacrifice scheduling rules for retirement???? Screw that!
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