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04-16-2006 | 07:02 AM

#41

Brown Cow

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Just vote "NO". This will be a contract for the old guys and not the young ones. But, if the A-plan is too heavy it will get voted down. There are over 1000 people who stand to gain significantly in retro and salary if they push the FO slope. Also, UPS has to offer a better A-plan. The EB can cry all they want, but UPS may just say &%^$@#!#$%^ you.

04-16-2006 | 09:01 AM

#42

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Originally Posted by Brown Cow

I am sure there are enough of us young uns that will vote NO unless the FO pay is fixed. I don't think it will pass otherwise.

04-16-2006 | 10:43 AM

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TurboBeaver

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2750 on the seniority list as of bid packet 06-03, figure 150 on probation ie: unable to vote, so 2600 voting, 51% is 1326 bodies that the company has to buy out to get ratification. Don't think they don't know this.

Take a close look at the demographics of the pilot group and see who has the bigger dog in the fight. A-plan vs F/O pay restoration, it doesn't matter as long as the company gets their 1326.

Food for thought.

ISFS, TB

04-16-2006 | 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleA

I recently talked to a UPS Captain about the the horrible pay rate for new hires at UPS. He said that their pilot group negotiates only for second year pay and up because new hires are not represented by the union nor do they generate dues for the union.

Wisdom does not automaticly come with that fourth stripe <G>
The IPA leadership has said that they are negotiating for first year pay, something that I agree with.

Credit or blame will lie with our negotiators, our pilot group, and our mamagement

04-16-2006 | 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EIGHTMENOUT1

There are just so many $$$$ in the pot. The IPA can divide it any way it wants to. In the end, the captains will benefit the most; they always do.

and under a seniority system, unlike the system our managers work under, in the end, we should all make captain in a more or less orderly fashion, and then in turn reap those benefits.

There are more FO's and FE's at UPS then captains. The captains benefiting most argument just doesn't wash

04-16-2006 | 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jetdriver

Anyway, right from TN's lips, he wants to raise the retirement benefit of those who have already retired. Not the over 60 folks working in the back seat, but people who retired and are no longer on the payrol(and no longer paying union dues). I realize they definitely got a crappy A plan ,BUT, what are you willing to give up to give these non-dues paying guys a better quality of life? I'd be willing to consider it, but it would be pretty freakin' low on my wishlist.

Mine too. Those guys had a chance to raise their retirement every time a contract came up while they were here. They chose to leave rather than fly FE hoping for a better day. Something about making your bed and lying in comes to mind

04-16-2006 | 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FreightDawg2

CW,

Perhaps you should fill out a Fredex application, man your attitude sucks.

I already have. But your perception of my attitude is way off. This comment was intended for one individual not you.

Cheers

04-16-2006 | 05:52 PM

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USN2UPS

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I have heard this rumor for two months and it seems to have some validity. I hope the EB understands that any TA that includes enhanced retirement for those who have already made the decision to bail out, and are no longer paying dues or risking anything by us striking, means that we are giving up something else(FO scale, scheduling or scope) and will result in a resounding no vote by the rank and file.

04-16-2006 | 06:25 PM

#49

767pilot

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I agree with you. They seem to rationalize it by saying that there aren't that many of those guys. They are doing it and for the life of me I don't get it.

04-21-2006 | 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by USN2UPS

I have heard this rumor for two months and it seems to have some validity. .

Tom told me this himself. (I know, it's still hearsay) This is more than just a rumor, so the time to give Tom and Jim your opion about this issue(increasing the A plan for those already retired) is NOW.