Haywood JB

I was talking about FO's, that's where I currently sit...for now

Jumbo Pilot

Well.. if you are a WB FO then you can definitely hold the Right seat of the 757 in an excess. There are some very junior people at the bottom of that list... Myself included. Now if they put a -1 in that seat.. that may all change.. but at least at the close of the that bid you should be awarded the seat if you want it... however if you really like the 727 then of course that is up to you. Just letting everyone know, the 757 FO is not that senior toward the back half of that seat.

DLax85

...and it looks like the 757 Training Letter begins to run dry in June.

If they don't excess off the 777, then a widebody Capt who can't hold any MEM based widebody seat, but can hold 777 FO, could bid the right seat and not go to training for well over 18 months --- which is alot more time ($$) on widebody Capt pay.

Many 727 Capts who were excessed on 08-02 already figured this out, and traded their 2009 widebody FO training dates in the Bus/MD-11 for much later (2010) 777/FO training dates.

31Hz

I lost my NB Captain seat on 8-02. I was excessed to Airbus FO. On the upcoming excess bid, I have an opportunity to go to any right seat. These are my ponderings:

If I go to ANC, I help management to reach a furlough prerequisite.
They need to plus up the ANC FO seat with pilots senior to the Purple Nuggets. This puts them in a position to do one of two things. 1.)Furlough out of ANC. 2.)Excess out of ANC.

I believe anyone who is awarded ANC FO will be trained as soon as possible. If they post an "Excess of 1" for ANC FO, I hope one senior FO gets his house bought. If they don't excess out of ANC then I don't want to plus it up with another senior FO--namely me.

I am considering bidding 777 FO to help the junior Airbus FOs (Haywood). By the way, I hate everything about the 777. The only way this strategy is neutered is if they simultaneously excess out of the 777 which IMO is unlikely. They will probably stretch the training out for 18+ months. (The only positive factor for me.) If they excess from the 777 later, I bid to relieve back to the Airbus. This should also work for the 757.

Braced for incoming.
Seriously. Tell me if you think my ANC reasoning is faulty.

NoHaz

What about HKG Capt first???

viperdriver

Why don't you think they will excess from the 777?

FDXLAG

They would have to if someone with a higher seniority bids to relieve or is excessed wouldn't they? As far as I know it is not an FDA.

AFW_MD11

Doesn't it all depend on how they set up the exesses in the posting?

Unless there is a number greater than zero IN THE BID POSTING - ie. "1" excess in 777 FO, or "1" excess in 777 CA, then no one is forced to leave the 777 no matter how many folks pile in on top of them that were excessed from other seats/crew positions/domiciles........right?

Wasn't that why they put a "1" in every seat in the cancelled bid? to create a bump/flush (displacement) system where one did not exist before? to bump all the junior bubbas down to the lowest paying seats (re-align seniority) - cascade effect.

By putting a "1" everywhere, that allowed them to bump as many folks out as they saw fit (may be increased accordingly) -

24.C.6.c. -

If an excessed pilot is awarded or assigned a crew position
that is also in excess, the number of pilots to be excessed
from that crew position may be increased accordingly;
provided, however, no pilot may be awarded or assigned a
crew position at an FDA base that would cause an excess

at that base.


So, unless they do the same thing again (place a "1" excess in 777 FO/CA), no one is bumped out of where they are now (777) - except the crew positions that have at least a "1" in excess in the posting.

right?

and, if they did put "1"s everywhere, it would just be a repeat of the cancelled bid fiasco - version 2.

(except maybe get a few more HKG FO takers)

Haywood JB

Jumbo,

I was more referring to the last cancelled excess bid, with the bump and flush, I couldn't touch the 75. If that is any preview of what will happen, I am trying to hope for the best, but plan for the worst. In all honesty, I would rather fly the 75 than go to ANC.

HJ

Jumbo Pilot

AHH... understood... I'm hoping there is not a bump and flush like last time. I mean.. they learned their lesson from 8-03 right? 757 is a growing program. 9 airplanes coming in 2009 and training letter runs out in June. I would think the company wants more people to go into those seats right now.. but if they flush.. I hear what you are saying. I guess all we can do is wait to see the particulars of this bid.