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Old 04-02-2023 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Lex11incheSteel
60 hour guarantee needs to be bumped to 72, lower than most regionals now except silver.
Ya'all qualify for food stamps with inflation?
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Old 04-02-2023 | 12:27 PM
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Keep in mind that ATI bids on a 13 month annual cycle (28 day/cycle). As I recall, they bid 2 cycles at a single bid....or easier stated a 56 day bid. I'm sure active ATI'er can state further if you really have questions.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs
Ya'all qualify for food stamps with inflation?
I don't know about food stamps but certainly eligible for low income and or section 8 housing.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 02:44 PM
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60*13 is still less than 72*12.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MacrossJet
Is the training footprint difficult? Is it something that a 1500 hour guy can pass with a good attitude and good studying? Is the training now being changed and tailored more towards the 1500 hr guys coming in, so that they can pass?

With the regionals not hiring, ACMI or the LCC's and ULCC's might be some of our only chance forward right now.
I cannot tell if you will pass or not with 1500 hours because when I got hired there, I had been at a regional for 11 years prior, so I don’t know. What I can tell you is that the 76 is an amazing aircraft and was a joy to fly but, my guess is that without prior experience IF you make it through training, you will most likely have your hands full for quite awhile before you become comfortable. The 76 is obviously a very large aircraft, it requires a lot of energy management, and like all aircraft if you get in over your head it could have catastrophic consequences. IE Atlas in Houston 3-4 years ago. I did my initial back in 2016, so I can only tell you that when I got hired the training was very straightforward but, a lot of self teaching of the systems (which I personally like). They cannot tailor training to make it any easier or harder for your experience simply because at the end of the day, you have to be able to pass a type rating and the examiners will hold you to the same standards as any one else regardless of background or experience. The examiners are all retired AA or US Airways captains, so they are all very experienced and they know what will and will not fly so to speak.

All that said, what I will tell you is that I have many good friends who are Captains there still. Remember that Captains generally don’t mind helping and guiding a new hire but, they are not flight instructors and most of them are being ran so hard they do not have the patience to deal with extreme inexperience. I must admit that my last few months before I left last year, my tolerance for the inexperience was getting pretty low. That was actually one of many reasons why I chose to leave simply because I realized that the job was becoming too risky for me and it was turning me into the Captain I always said I never wanted to be.

Last thing I will tell you, it is a Part 121 job, so if you go into training and come out with a failure or multiple failures, you will be explaining that to any and all of your future employers down the road.

Just something’s to think about. Good luck!

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Old 04-03-2023 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MacrossJet
Is the training footprint difficult? Is it something that a 1500 hour guy can pass with a good attitude and good studying? Is the training now being changed and tailored more towards the 1500 hr guys coming in, so that they can pass?

With the regionals not hiring, ACMI or the LCC's and ULCC's might be some of our only chance forward right now.
They started a new pathway program with Silver this year, so there will be pilots coming in that haven't flown a jet. There will have to be some training adjustment. And they aren't AQP for initial at the moment.

https://www.airtransport.cc/news/air...silver-airways
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Old 04-04-2023 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TimeToGo
They started a new pathway program with Silver this year, so there will be pilots coming in that haven't flown a jet. There will have to be some training adjustment. And they aren't AQP for initial at the moment.

https://www.airtransport.cc/news/air...silver-airways
The training adjustment..more sims, more sims more sims, extra IOE, extra ioe, extra ioe, Instructors with steel balls riding through horible landings trying to teach someone not just how to fly the 767, but how to fly period!
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Old 04-04-2023 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
The training adjustment..more sims, more sims more sims, extra IOE, extra ioe, extra ioe, Instructors with steel balls riding through horible landings trying to teach someone not just how to fly the 767, but how to fly period!
Have you rode in the back of any Southwest flight lately? lol Seems like a softer landing is a rare thing. But boxes won't complain....
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Old 04-04-2023 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lex11incheSteel
60 hour guarantee needs to be bumped to 72, lower than most regionals now except silver.
That will never happen.

1. They don't fly nearly enough to justify it. The minimum guarantee is what it is because it's the high end of what you can reasonably expect to fly in a bid period.
2. The ABX guarantee was adjusted to 65 in the last contract to bring the ABX and ATI pay scales to parity at 780 hours per year. ATI pays 60 x 13, and ABX 65 x 12. The hourly rates are the same between the two. This was intentional on the part of ATSG.

You can argue for a higher rate, which is what they're doing currently in negotiations, and it's also precisely where negotiations have hung up.
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Old 04-04-2023 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeToGo
Have you rode in the back of any Southwest flight lately? lol Seems like a softer landing is a rare thing. But boxes won't complain....
My back does!
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