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Old 04-01-2023 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeToGo
Where do most of the former ATI pilots end up going to?
"Most", end up at one of the big 5 carriers.
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Old 04-01-2023 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by azav8r
"Most", end up at one of the big 5 carriers.
Big 5? I count big 4 PAX + 2 big Freight Dogs.
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Old 04-01-2023 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by flyboy730
ATI will hire anybody who can fog a mirror at this point. I’ve been gone a few months now but, before I left the quality of the last few new hires I flew with was in the toilet. They were good people but, it was beyond obvious that they were all extremely inexperienced and in over their heads.

I’ve been gone for 6 months now but, I was there for 7 years before I left. I must tell you that unless you are desperate, then going to ATI is a mistake in this environment. If you’re desperate and for whatever reason you can’t get hired by an airline, then I wish you well at ATI.
Is the training footprint difficult? Is it something that a 1500 hour guy can pass with a good attitude and good studying? Is the training now being changed and tailored more towards the 1500 hr guys coming in, so that they can pass?

With the regionals not hiring, ACMI or the LCC's and ULCC's might be some of our only chance forward right now.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Big 5? I count big 4 PAX + 2 big Freight Dogs.
See the thread on Delta new hire out earning 12 year Southwest captain. The big 6 was all the rage for several years but now some exclude WN.

We'll see what things look like at the end of this contract cycle.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MacrossJet
Is the training footprint difficult? Is it something that a 1500 hour guy can pass with a good attitude and good studying? Is the training now being changed and tailored more towards the 1500 hr guys coming in, so that they can pass?

With the regionals not hiring, ACMI or the LCC's and ULCC's might be some of our only chance forward right now.
The training footprint is not built for pilots without turbine and crew experience but that doesn't prevent one from being successful. The instructors are very knowledgeable and patient and generally will work extra hard with someone who has a good attitude. The less you know coming in the more you will have to study.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TimeToGo
Where do most of the former ATI pilots end up going to?
American, United, Southwest, Delta, etc. Some are going to LCCs like Frontier. I know there are just a few going to FedEx and UPS but they're not as prominent.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by tallpilot
See the thread on Delta new hire out earning 12 year Southwest captain. The big 6 was all the rage for several years but now some exclude WN.

We'll see what things look like at the end of this contract cycle.
This logic does not make much sense. One airline has yet to settle on a new contract, others have leap frogged ahead of them. In awhile, they will have a comparable contract. Market forces will force them to. Will they then be admitted back into the big 6 group? At some times AA has been behind the curve. Would that mean they are kicked out of the big 6 group, as well?
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Old 04-02-2023 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
This logic does not make much sense. One airline has yet to settle on a new contract, others have leap frogged ahead of them. In awhile, they will have a comparable contract. Market forces will force them to. Will they then be admitted back into the big 6 group? At some times AA has been behind the curve. Would that mean they are kicked out of the big 6 group, as well?
There are other considerations besides career earnings. The lack of variety due to a single fleet type and mostly domestic operations, upgrade times are far longer, etc.

Everyone has a different opinion on exactly which compromise the most desirable carriers but the nomenclature is clear on this board when someone writes Big 3, Big 5 or Big 6.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 08:12 AM
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60 hour guarantee needs to be bumped to 72, lower than most regionals now except silver.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Lex11incheSteel
60 hour guarantee needs to be bumped to 72, lower than most regionals now except silver.
Agreed, this would at least partially makeup for the constant day-night swaps that were seeing on the line.
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