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Old 12-08-2011, 02:02 PM
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I have R24 for the first time ever and was wondering if those of you in the know could answer a few questions.

1. Is the first day in a block of R24 days essentially a travel day? That is, the notification window starts on the first day so the earliest trip assignment would be for the second day.

2. If you deviate on the backend of a trip in the middle of a block of R24 days do you need to be in Memphis within 30 mins of scheduled DH block-in and make the obligatory, "Got anything else for me call"? For example, they assign a trip that shows in the same duty period as the arriving DH.

3. If assigned the HSBY in MEM and you are assigned a Trip, after blocking back in to MEM is your HSBY done, or are you released for less than 24 back into the HSBY. What if it's a IND HSBY and you operate into MEM? Does an APTSBY assigned out of the HSBY count as a trip assignment and if not launched you are back into 24 notice, or is it back to the hotel?

Any and all info is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance and have a safe holiday season (hopefully at home).
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:11 PM
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1 no, your notification window starts 24 hrs prior to your first r day

2. If you are on r 24 expect to be turned, even out of dead heads. So yes.

3. A trip will modify your stby period, but you can get turned if you have days remaining and they have a trip that fits your duty remaining. r24should not get apstby, but htlstby is pretty common.

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Old 12-08-2011, 02:20 PM
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Here's my experience after 2 months on R24 (MD-10/11)

- I was assigned HSTBY for EVERY block of r days (I'm not sure that was the intent of R24?)

- You are required to "block out" 60 minutes after hotel notification (it's actually in the contract). I'm not sure that can be done safely. I DO NOT rush like a crazy person ...

- I was frequently assigned hub turns 24 hours in advance

- because they are required to give you the most notification, they call you FIRST (assuming there is 24 hours notice, of course). That might mean an alert call at home at 3am to notify you of your 3am show the next day!*? There must be a better system?

- I got called off HSTBY to d/h to Europe

- One of the 2 months I actually got an extra day or two at home but it didn't work out nearly as well as I hoped it might for a commuter.

YMMV ...

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Old 12-08-2011, 06:26 PM
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1. nope
Notification
A pilot shall be available for notification of an assignment throughout his notification window. During his notification window, a pilot shall either answer calls placed by CRS or return those calls within 15 minutes.
A pilot’s notification window shall begin:
(a) 1:30 hours prior to his RP for an R-1.5.
(b) 3 hours prior to his RP for an R-3.
(c) 24 hours prior to his RP for an R-24.
A pilot’s notification window shall end:
(a) 1:30 hours prior to the end of his RP for an R-1.5.
(b) 3 hours prior to the end of his RP for an R-3.
(c) 24 hours prior to the end of his RP for an R-24.

2. Yes, as R24, you are only leveled amongst other R24s. They will assign you first because if they don't they loose you for 24 hours. "fish in a barrel"

3. Section 12.4.b will help you decide, but in short, they got you the entire time. Call out is actually 1+30 for operational.
12.3.b.ii.e.iii
A base hotel standby pilot shall be notified of an assignment at least 1:30 prior to scheduled block-out, unless the first leg of the assignment is deadhead by chartered aircraft or Company jumpseat, in which case the notification shall occur at least 45 minutes prior to scheduled block-out.

4. As stated, they normally don't give ya airport stby out of hotel stby. It only gains them 1/2 hour notice and it is 5 hours long but hotel stby they keep you on call for 11+30, and you would be released to crew rest when done, but still on hotel stby pairing.
The scheduling group is totally abusing this program of putting people in hotel stby off of R24. it takes the "24" hour notice out of the loop during the pairing.

Read 12-3 over a few times to get a handle of what they can do with you, I have been on hotel stby's when they have tried to give us something outside of the guidelines.
Hope this helps!
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Old 12-08-2011, 06:28 PM
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The first day is not a travel day. I haven't done it for a couple years, but I usually got 30-36 hours notice because they assigned something in their morning setups. I checked VIPS and got the notification, they might not have called until 24 prior. I always called within :30 of block-in, but always was either assigned something the day prior or released when I called. I once deviated home because I knew I had a 1 in 7 and it was my last R-day, then the scheduler called and "politely scolded" me because he had to notify me of my 1 in 7 and was going to do it when I called in. I think if you tell them you want to deviate home they can let you know if you're needed back or not.
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Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
I have R24 for the first time ever and was wondering if those of you in the know could answer a few questions.


3. If assigned the HSBY in MEM and you are assigned a Trip, after blocking back in to MEM is your HSBY done
If you land in Memphis you can be "hub turned" with less than 24 hrs notice. Always call after block in.

Once you've called in, or before starting a hub turn capable trip, I wouldn't accept an assignment with less than 24 hrs notification. They've tried and sometimes failed when challenged.

BTW, there is no polite scolding. They forget to give 1 in 7 and/or relish the power rush of giving it instead of you just taking it. To rob them of this joy is a no no.


To use R24 as intended is against scheduling policy. Good question for the Senior Manager, if you ever see him.
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Once you've called in, or before starting a hub turn capable trip, I wouldn't accept an assignment with less than 24 hrs notification. They've tried and sometimes failed when challenged.

BTW, there is no polite scolding. They forget to give 1 in 7 and/or relish the power rush of giving it instead of you just taking it. To rob them of this joy is a no no.

To use R24 as intended is against scheduling policy. Good question for the Senior Manager, if you ever see him.
As a side note, if your on the phone with a scheduler having a dispute remember that ALL CONVERSATIONS ARE BEING RECORDER so be sure to use your nice voice!
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About 2 or 3 contracts ago, we traded negotiating capital for R24. There is a catch however, if reserve manning becomes "critical", the company can assign hotel standby to R24 holders. In the 4A2B Laboratory, the lab rats came out of their cages to fly as much as they could causing this experiment to endure for 18 months and proving to the company the real value of a reserve pilot, very little! Hence, the number of reserve lines decreased, regular lines increased, BLG's minimized, Voila'!

I can see no reason why the company will ever not exercise this provision of our CBA that allows them put R24 reserves into hotel standby each and every time. This what we bought with our negotiating capital my friends. We then sealed this reality with a kiss during 4A2B. So be nice to your maids, they are all we have left of our R24 benefit.
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Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
About 2 or 3 contracts ago, we traded negotiating capital for R24. There is a catch however, if reserve manning becomes "critical", the company can assign hotel standby to R24 holders. In the 4A2B Laboratory, the lab rats came out of their cages to fly as much as they could causing this experiment to endure for 18 months and proving to the company the real value of a reserve pilot, very little! Hence, the number of reserve lines decreased, regular lines increased, BLG's minimized, Voila'!

I can see no reason why the company will ever not exercise this provision of our CBA that allows them put R24 reserves into hotel standby each and every time. This what we bought with our negotiating capital my friends. We then sealed this reality with a kiss during 4A2B. So be nice to your maids, they are all we have left of our R24 benefit.


And, the best part is - one of the persons that traded negotiating capitol for something that was supposed to "be a good deal" and then gave it all away with a Question and Answer Guide is the same person that runs the whole show now!
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