FEDEX/UPS Help?
11-30-2006, 02:08 PM
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Shaggy,
Please don't take offense to this....but you sound like you're a little bit lost, and could use some help.
Do yourself a HUGE favor and call Adam Hughes in CVG (that's Cincy)
@ 513-604-3906. He will do a fantastic job prepping you for your upcoming UPS interview. He'll run you through the UPS simulator profile in an A-300, 727, or DC-8...along with honing your interviewing skills in an HR/Capt type scenario specific to UPS. It will be the best money you ever spent, trust me.
Don't go into the UPS interview cold having only read Cheryl Cage's "Checklist." While it's a good book, it's not enough, and it's not UPS specific. Don't blow this golden opportunity that has been placed in your lap.
Best of luck to you.
Arch
Please don't take offense to this....but you sound like you're a little bit lost, and could use some help.
Do yourself a HUGE favor and call Adam Hughes in CVG (that's Cincy)
@ 513-604-3906. He will do a fantastic job prepping you for your upcoming UPS interview. He'll run you through the UPS simulator profile in an A-300, 727, or DC-8...along with honing your interviewing skills in an HR/Capt type scenario specific to UPS. It will be the best money you ever spent, trust me.Don't go into the UPS interview cold having only read Cheryl Cage's "Checklist." While it's a good book, it's not enough, and it's not UPS specific. Don't blow this golden opportunity that has been placed in your lap.
Best of luck to you.
Arch
11-30-2006, 07:26 PM
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R U really trying
I hate to jump on the horse with spurs, but it really does not sound like you are trying too hard. Several guys on this thread asked for information (yours) trying to help you locate someone. You just left them hanging. An AF tanker pilot with 7 years flying and you can't find anyone at FDX that will help you is a little bit troubling. There are probably 5-10 guys from your UPT base that you flew with that are at FDX. Once you are dialed in, it is easy to find others that you flew with. Either you are not trying or you don't feel you would be remembered in the most flattering light.
Military pilots without solid recs and sponsors do not have much of a chance. With all the ex-mil guys here, the feeling is that if you don't have numerous guys you've flown with recommending you, there might be a reason. That unwritten rule doesn't seem to be as hard and fast for civilian pilots because the hiring group recognizes that they might not know more than one or two pilots. But military....think harder.
Military pilots without solid recs and sponsors do not have much of a chance. With all the ex-mil guys here, the feeling is that if you don't have numerous guys you've flown with recommending you, there might be a reason. That unwritten rule doesn't seem to be as hard and fast for civilian pilots because the hiring group recognizes that they might not know more than one or two pilots. But military....think harder.
11-30-2006, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kwri10s
I hate to jump on the horse with spurs, but it really does not sound like you are trying too hard. Several guys on this thread asked for information (yours) trying to help you locate someone. You just left them hanging. An AF tanker pilot with 7 years flying and you can't find anyone at FDX that will help you is a little bit troubling. There are probably 5-10 guys from your UPT base that you flew with that are at FDX. Once you are dialed in, it is easy to find others that you flew with. Either you are not trying or you don't feel you would be remembered in the most flattering light.
Military pilots without solid recs and sponsors do not have much of a chance. With all the ex-mil guys here, the feeling is that if you don't have numerous guys you've flown with recommending you, there might be a reason. That unwritten rule doesn't seem to be as hard and fast for civilian pilots because the hiring group recognizes that they might not know more than one or two pilots. But military....think harder.
Military pilots without solid recs and sponsors do not have much of a chance. With all the ex-mil guys here, the feeling is that if you don't have numerous guys you've flown with recommending you, there might be a reason. That unwritten rule doesn't seem to be as hard and fast for civilian pilots because the hiring group recognizes that they might not know more than one or two pilots. But military....think harder.
Sure bro go and kick a guy when he is down! Its like slapping a kid with cancer. I have responded to every reply just like I am with yours! I am not going to get in a ****ing match here but I feel like I need to respond! As the days have gone by I have learned a few things. 1. Talk is cheap! 2. Action speaks much louder then words! The constructive folks that have responed to me; I listen too. 3. Fedex's hiring way of doing business sucks! Getting a job with them should not be like applying to a flying club! Maybe thats why there CP is ****ed and puts out letters to be more professional, maybe that also explains why they have more than their share of accidents! Right now they can pick and choose but soon they won't have that luxury. As the Airline industry makes a come back from the brink the process they have in place will go away. 4. As the days pass I am finding more guys I know that work for them. A buddy is sending me a pilots list and hopefully I will find more guys I know that work for them. So far three friends have said they will help soon as they start hiring again. 5. I am very naive when it comes too this business and am playing catch up. 6. Guys like your self are not helpful! Just my two cents.
11-30-2006, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaggy1970
3. Fedex's hiring way of doing business sucks! Getting a job with them should not be like applying to a flying club! Maybe thats why there CP is ****ed and puts out letters to be more professional, maybe that also explains why they have more than their share of accidents! Right now they can pick and choose but soon they won't have that luxury. As the Airline industry makes a come back from the brink the process they have in place will go away.
11-30-2006, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaggy1970
KWRI10s,
Sure bro go and kick a guy when he is down! Its like slapping a kid with cancer. I have responded to every reply just like I am with yours! I am not going to get in a ****ing match here but I feel like I need to respond! As the days have gone by I have learned a few things. 1. Talk is cheap! 2. Action speaks much louder then words! The constructive folks that have responed to me; I listen too. 3. Fedex's hiring way of doing business sucks! Getting a job with them should not be like applying to a flying club! Maybe thats why there CP is ****ed and puts out letters to be more professional, maybe that also explains why they have more than their share of accidents! Right now they can pick and choose but soon they won't have that luxury. As the Airline industry makes a come back from the brink the process they have in place will go away. 4. As the days pass I am finding more guys I know that work for them. A buddy is sending me a pilots list and hopefully I will find more guys I know that work for them. So far three friends have said they will help soon as they start hiring again. 5. I am very naive when it comes too this business and am playing catch up. 6. Guys like your self are not helpful! Just my two cents.
Sure bro go and kick a guy when he is down! Its like slapping a kid with cancer. I have responded to every reply just like I am with yours! I am not going to get in a ****ing match here but I feel like I need to respond! As the days have gone by I have learned a few things. 1. Talk is cheap! 2. Action speaks much louder then words! The constructive folks that have responed to me; I listen too. 3. Fedex's hiring way of doing business sucks! Getting a job with them should not be like applying to a flying club! Maybe thats why there CP is ****ed and puts out letters to be more professional, maybe that also explains why they have more than their share of accidents! Right now they can pick and choose but soon they won't have that luxury. As the Airline industry makes a come back from the brink the process they have in place will go away. 4. As the days pass I am finding more guys I know that work for them. A buddy is sending me a pilots list and hopefully I will find more guys I know that work for them. So far three friends have said they will help soon as they start hiring again. 5. I am very naive when it comes too this business and am playing catch up. 6. Guys like your self are not helpful! Just my two cents.
11-30-2006, 10:39 PM
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Ranger & Fecav8r,
Lets slow down a bit and not mix words here. I beileve that UPS and FEDEX both are amazing companies not only to work for but to own stock in; they are only going to get bigger and better. From what little I know they are both the industry leaders in this field and soon no one will be able to touch either of them. All one has to do is pick up Avation Week and read it and its easy to see. Additionally they are great because they take care of people; much more so than uncle sam. Thats why I would love to be part of either organization. I don't think anyone in their right mind will disagree.
Now back to my post earlier, my complaint is not with the Fedex as a company but the way they hire pilots. As my memory recalls Fecav8r, you even started a post not too long ago talking about how to improve the process! A lot of your fellow pilots agree with me as well, I don't believe that you are getting the most talented people. A company; any company should be worried about hiring the most talented, hard working, best qualified individuals not who knows who, it shouldn't be a popularity contest. I hate to have to cold call people I haven't seen in years and butter them up just so I can get a on-line rec. Thats just not me I don't want to do that but I have to feed my family so I guess I have too if thats the way its going to be.
I really don't want to start another thread here or a war of words with anyone about these issues and problems, but I am just telling you from a objective standpoint I don't think thats the right way of hiring folks. The process should be revamped. I am naive remember and I don't know much so please educate me and don't put words into my mouth. If you take the time a teach me stuff maybe I won't be not so stupid. Please be constructive thats all I ask and help me bring food to the table.
Lets slow down a bit and not mix words here. I beileve that UPS and FEDEX both are amazing companies not only to work for but to own stock in; they are only going to get bigger and better. From what little I know they are both the industry leaders in this field and soon no one will be able to touch either of them. All one has to do is pick up Avation Week and read it and its easy to see. Additionally they are great because they take care of people; much more so than uncle sam. Thats why I would love to be part of either organization. I don't think anyone in their right mind will disagree.
Now back to my post earlier, my complaint is not with the Fedex as a company but the way they hire pilots. As my memory recalls Fecav8r, you even started a post not too long ago talking about how to improve the process! A lot of your fellow pilots agree with me as well, I don't believe that you are getting the most talented people. A company; any company should be worried about hiring the most talented, hard working, best qualified individuals not who knows who, it shouldn't be a popularity contest. I hate to have to cold call people I haven't seen in years and butter them up just so I can get a on-line rec. Thats just not me I don't want to do that but I have to feed my family so I guess I have too if thats the way its going to be.
I really don't want to start another thread here or a war of words with anyone about these issues and problems, but I am just telling you from a objective standpoint I don't think thats the right way of hiring folks. The process should be revamped. I am naive remember and I don't know much so please educate me and don't put words into my mouth. If you take the time a teach me stuff maybe I won't be not so stupid. Please be constructive thats all I ask and help me bring food to the table.
11-30-2006, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaggy1970
Ranger & Fecav8r,
Lets slow down a bit and not mix words here. I beileve that UPS and FEDEX both are amazing companies not only to work for but to own stock in; they are only going to get bigger and better. From what little I know they are both the industry leaders in this field and soon no one will be able to touch either of them. All one has to do is pick up Avation Week and read it and its easy to see. Additionally they are great because they take care of people; much more so than uncle sam. Thats why I would love to be part of either organization. I don't think anyone in their right mind will disagree.
Now back to my post earlier, my complaint is not with the Fedex as a company but the way they hire pilots. As my memory recalls Fecav8r, you even started a post not too long ago talking about how to improve the process! A lot of your fellow pilots agree with me as well, Fedex's hiring way of doing business sucks! Getting a job with them should not be like applying to a flying club! Maybe thats why there CP is ****ed and puts out letters to be more professional, maybe that also explains why they have more than their share of accidents! Right now they can pick and choose but soon they won't have that luxury. A company; any company should be worried about hiring the most talented, hard working, best qualified individuals not who knows who, it shouldn't be a popularity contest. I hate to have to cold call people I haven't seen in years and butter them up just so I can get a on-line rec. Thats just not me I don't want to do that but I have to feed my family so I guess I have too if thats the way its going to be.
I really don't want to start another thread here or a war of words with anyone about these issues and problems, but I am just telling you from a objective standpoint I don't think thats the right way of hiring folks. The process should be revamped. I am naive remember and I don't know much so please educate me and don't put words into my mouth. If you take the time a teach me stuff maybe I won't be not so stupid. Please be constructive thats all I ask and help me bring food to the table.
Lets slow down a bit and not mix words here. I beileve that UPS and FEDEX both are amazing companies not only to work for but to own stock in; they are only going to get bigger and better. From what little I know they are both the industry leaders in this field and soon no one will be able to touch either of them. All one has to do is pick up Avation Week and read it and its easy to see. Additionally they are great because they take care of people; much more so than uncle sam. Thats why I would love to be part of either organization. I don't think anyone in their right mind will disagree.
Now back to my post earlier, my complaint is not with the Fedex as a company but the way they hire pilots. As my memory recalls Fecav8r, you even started a post not too long ago talking about how to improve the process! A lot of your fellow pilots agree with me as well, Fedex's hiring way of doing business sucks! Getting a job with them should not be like applying to a flying club! Maybe thats why there CP is ****ed and puts out letters to be more professional, maybe that also explains why they have more than their share of accidents! Right now they can pick and choose but soon they won't have that luxury. A company; any company should be worried about hiring the most talented, hard working, best qualified individuals not who knows who, it shouldn't be a popularity contest. I hate to have to cold call people I haven't seen in years and butter them up just so I can get a on-line rec. Thats just not me I don't want to do that but I have to feed my family so I guess I have too if thats the way its going to be.
I really don't want to start another thread here or a war of words with anyone about these issues and problems, but I am just telling you from a objective standpoint I don't think thats the right way of hiring folks. The process should be revamped. I am naive remember and I don't know much so please educate me and don't put words into my mouth. If you take the time a teach me stuff maybe I won't be not so stupid. Please be constructive thats all I ask and help me bring food to the table.
Fedex's hiring way of doing business sucks! Getting a job with them should not be like applying to a flying club! Maybe thats why there CP is ****ed and puts out letters to be more professional, maybe that also explains why they have more than their share of accidents! Right now they can pick and choose but soon they won't have that luxury.
That's what you said, right? I mean I didn't put words in your mouth. Yeah, I started a thread asking how to improve the process. I didn't say the process sucked, just that it needed some tweaking and refining. And I sure didn't say anything about the hiring process being the reason we have had our recent issues with accidents. You did that.
Now, here's another of your quotes...any company should be worried about hiring the most talented, hard working, best qualified individuals not who knows who, it shouldn't be a popularity contest You really think the people we hire aren't? Just because you don't have someone you know who is willing to put their name and reputation on the line you think you're more qualified. Now, tell me what you think makes up this mythical aviator you call "the most qualified." Would you rather we take our chances at the 11000+ resumes we have on file and sort them by total hours. With your 3000+ you wouldn't even have a chance. How about your 135 time. Nope, still not competitive. See my point? If you don't get one of your buds to walk your resume in, you aren't even in the ball game. Still think our process sucks? Well, when you get hired here you can work to change it.
12-01-2006, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaggy1970
I have responded to every reply just like I am with yours!
BTW - Once I thought I only knew three people at Fedex, but once I got here, there were scores of folks from UPT, various assignments, excercises, schools, and even a guy I went to high school with. You sure didn't sound like you were trying too hard.
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