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Old 07-12-2014 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 3pointlanding
So, I take it you would refuse to allow him to observe. Interesting
Man would I like to see how that finding would be received. But it is your airplane.
i'm not familiar with the FedEx QA. Some questions to better understand what your talking about.

Why is there no MOA with the Union?
Is the data de-identified like LOSA data?
Why reinvent the wheel, just contract another LOSA?
Is this a "cost savings" issue to substitute for LOSA?
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Old 07-12-2014 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Boxes
i'm not familiar with the FedEx QA. Some questions to better understand what your talking about.

Why is there no MOA with the Union?
Is the data de-identified like LOSA data?
Why reinvent the wheel, just contract another LOSA?
Is this a "cost savings" issue to substitute for LOSA?

I'm out on sick leave so I don't have the front seat to observe this program like most of the others on this web board but ...

The Obama Administration has their Scandal of the Month, FedEx Management seems to have their "Harassment of the Month." If you've followed this board for several months you probably noticed the sick leave harassment, Hong Kong pilot LOA harassment, next month they'll find something else to help distract from Contract Negotiations.

I'm surprised we keep falling for it. There must be something we can do to stop it?


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Old 07-12-2014 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
...I'm out on sick leave so I don't have the front seat to observe this program like most of the others on this web board but ...

The Obama Administration has their Scandal of the Month, FedEx Management seems to have their Harassment of the Month.

If you've followed this board for several months you probably noticed the sick leave harassment, Hong Kong pilot LOA harassment, next month they'll find something else to help distract from Contract Negotiations.

I'm surprised we keep falling for it. There must be something we can do to stop it?


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Flight Mgmt is like the boss in this new Fedex commercial

And they're hoping we're like the Assistant...

http://www.funnycommercialsworld.com/fedex-commercial-dont-count-that-25352.html

(...play the YouTube video within the article)
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Old 07-12-2014 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
3point,
Are the F/O QA Observers designated as Fleet Check Airman? If not, under what classification do they fall under for cockpit access?
They fall under the classification of any other pilot that is asking to ride in the jumpseat; Captain's discretion. That part really isn't hard to grasp and was made pretty clear to me at recurrent.
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Old 07-12-2014 | 09:19 PM
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Very hard to find out concrete data about the program. I called Safety - they had no idea. Called my ACP - he directed me to the PAC which had no idea of the program. Just had recurrent and there was no mention of it anywhere - the ground school instructor didn't know about it and was quite sure we weren't getting any sort of brief on it (we didn't). Can't find any mention in the FOM about it. Except for a few advertisements for positions from the Company and the complaint from the Union how can one find hard information about the program? How does anyone know what the purpose is or how the data will be used? I PM'd 3point a long time ago and he never got back so I'm guessing there really isn't anything in writing available for the crew force on the program. ??
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Old 07-12-2014 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuck
Very hard to find out concrete data about the program. I called Safety - they had no idea. Called my ACP - he directed me to the PAC which had no idea of the program. Just had recurrent and there was no mention of it anywhere - the ground school instructor didn't know about it and was quite sure we weren't getting any sort of brief on it (we didn't). Can't find any mention in the FOM about it. Except for a few advertisements for positions from the Company and the complaint from the Union how can one find hard information about the program? How does anyone know what the purpose is or how the data will be used? I PM'd 3point a long time ago and he never got back so I'm guessing there really isn't anything in writing available for the crew force on the program. ??
I had CMV1 a few months ago and the QA folks were there to give a 30 minute brief on who and what they do. This occured on the same day as the Global War On Error crap, or the new program that replaced GWOE. I know they've been doing the brief for quite some time to educate the crew force. The QA program came from Qantas.

I think there's a lot of misinformation being communicated on this thread.

I had a QA fella on a flight four weeks ago. He wasn't management, nor did he speak highly of anyone in management. He slept through 98% of the flight. He was on the airplane to see a taxi obstruction/situation that resulted in a POR and how the problem could be solved.

I'm sure this post is going to go over like a ***** in church.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
I had CMV1 a few months ago and the QA folks were there to give a 30 minute brief on who and what they do. This occured on the same day as the Global War On Error crap, or the new program that replaced GWOE. I know they've been doing the brief for quite some time to educate the crew force. The QA program came from Qantas.

I think there's a lot of misinformation being communicated on this thread.

I had a QA fella on a flight four weeks ago. He wasn't management, nor did he speak highly of anyone in management. He slept through 98% of the flight. He was on the airplane to see a taxi obstruction/situation that resulted in a POR and how the problem could be solved.

I'm sure this post is going to go over like a ***** in church.
I am sure most of them are good crewmembers wanting to help the crewforce. The program just needs to be spelled out in a MOU, LOA ETC. in case something happens or one of them is not such a good guy.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
I am sure most of them are good crewmembers wanting to help the crewforce. The program just needs to be spelled out in a MOU, LOA ETC. in case something happens or one of them is not such a good guy.
I would think they would want that protection also.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
I am sure most of them are good crewmembers wanting to help the crewforce. The program just needs to be spelled out in a MOU, LOA ETC. in case something happens or one of them is not such a good guy.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I think generally the program has good goals. However there needs to be protections so that at any point in the future it can't be abused. Also, I think the crew members should be provided any copies of any reports generated.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Unknown Rider
I think you hit the nail on the head. I think generally the program has good goals. However there needs to be protections so that at any point in the future it can't be abused. Also, I think the crew members should be provided any copies of any reports generated.
Just because the company keeps secret records (and loses them when it is in their interest) is no reason to be paranoid.
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