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Old 09-07-2015 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy7242
So I guess you were just born with the knowledge of flying all around the world. Just remember some Captain was teaching you and saying the same thing.
I guess that would be a yes and no answer...The Captains I flew with only yelled at you for not knowing how to do your job...It was a time when CRM wasn't about asking about how your feelings are today...And the training was much better...Sink or swim times...not this touchy feel'y anyone can do lifestyle of today...
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Old 09-07-2015 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KhalReblic23
I'm on 5th year pay and make about as much as a PSA Captain on his 1st year after soft time (I'm at 61k/yr) [/IMG][/URL]
5 years and still not a Captain?
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Old 09-07-2015 | 08:01 AM
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Khal,

Check your PMs.
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Old 09-07-2015 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJ700Master
5 years and still not a Captain?
Upgrade is about...5 years, so yeah. I can be in the next class if I want.

Originally Posted by HeavyDriver
And the training was much better...Sink or swim times...not this touchy feel'y anyone can do lifestyle of today...
Ironically, people still have a hard time making it through the touchy feely version...
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Old 09-07-2015 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by HeavyDriver
I guess that would be a yes and no answer...The Captains I flew with only yelled at you for not knowing how to do your job...It was a time when CRM wasn't about asking about how your feelings are today...And the training was much better...Sink or swim times...not this touchy feel'y anyone can do lifestyle of today...
It all boils down to attitude. If you have a guy with a great attitude and is willing to learn any captain should be willing to go to any length to train.
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Old 09-07-2015 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by HeavyDriver
I guess that would be a yes and no answer...The Captains I flew with only yelled at you for not knowing how to do your job...It was a time when CRM wasn't about asking about how your feelings are today...And the training was much better...Sink or swim times...not this touchy feel'y anyone can do lifestyle of today...
I hope you're not in the training department over there.
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Old 09-07-2015 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
I hope you're not in the training department over there.
Thank God No!...I would never pass my Check Ride!....

Oops, sorry I used God in my post...Don't want to offend anyone...

Oops, I used anyone in my post...Don't want to offend a member of any of the extinct species of genus Homo, such as Homo erectus...

Oops, I used ?...

Oops,
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Old 09-07-2015 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavyDriver
Thank God No!...I would never pass my Check Ride!....

Oops, sorry I used God in my post...Don't want to offend anyone...

Oops, I used anyone in my post...Don't want to offend a member of any of the extinct species of genus Homo, such as Homo erectus...

Oops, I used ?...

Oops,
I don't know what your post is about.

But I'll tell you this: If you think modern CRM is about talking about your feelings, you're nowhere near the mark.
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Old 09-08-2015 | 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by KhalReblic23
Upgrade is about...5 years, so yeah. I can be in the next class if I want.



Ironically, people still have a hard time making it through the touchy feely version...
Originally Posted by KhalReblic23
You may love it during IOE, but once the kool aid is out of your system...well....

This thread is rife with company men. The truth, I'm on 5th year pay and make about as much as a PSA Captain on his 1st year after soft time (I'm at 61k/yr) and other regionals are comparable (if not better) as well. There is no soft time at OAI. If you feel like working more than 18 days straight in the month you might get called for extra flying, you might not. There is no system for trip trading, open time, etc.. That sort of thing doesn't exist here. There is no trip rig or minimum day pay. Breaking guarantee from your regular 18 days away from home is a rare occasion (it happened twice for me in the last 5 years).

You'll get about 30hrs (on average) of actually being in a seat every month. Depending on who is more desperate for landings, because someone always is, you may spend more of that 30hrs in the jumpseat as a relief pilot. If you get the 777 and not the 767 it's worse....a brief example, I just talked to a very senior 777 CA and he has had 10 landings since January....10. That speaks for itself.

Homelife is difficult, you will be tired and destroyed when you finally get home and you'll make less money than you do now assuming you're coming from the RJ CA position you mentioned. This job is best for old men who hate their wives (not exaggerating here) and single guys that are apathetic about everything like hotels with no air-conditioning and have no problem getting stuck here since you'll have no currency to apply somewhere else with.

If you want to fly big jets, keep your applications up to date at the majors, RJ captains ARE finally getting hired, be patient. Shiny Jet Syndrome is no reason to throw a wrench in your career progression.

If you want to see the world, use some of those travel privilages you have now, because if you come here you will have none at all (except for CASS Jumpseat). You can't even bring your spouse on our own flights (like our regularly scheduled LAS-HNL service). Of course, if you're on the 777 you'll get so many frequent flier miles from the continuous deadheading you can probably get a real ticket for you and one other after a year or so.

I'd be happy to send a copy of our CBA to you. It's a short easy read since there is nothing in it to protect us from anything.

These are the facts. If you want my personal opinion on things or the story of how I ended up here you can PM me directly and I'm open to sharing.

TL;DR Would not recommend for anyone under 60, or anyone over that loves their family/having a life outside of work (unless you're a Syrian refugee and it's the only job you can get).



Yes, I'm quoting both of these. Mainly because you edited one of them.

We get it, you're ****ed that you're not a 10 year ExpressJet Captain. And yes you could be in the next upgrade class...if you wanted. But, guess what? You could have been in the last two. So yea, there are now six captains junior to you that actually took the upgrade. Oh, and guess what else, they are making more money than you. Seems that someone who's in a "financial situation" would want more money. I know, I know it's not always about the money but what does more than most human beings work for on this planet? Money.

Yes, you could be a captain at ExpressJet but like I just stated you could be a captain at Omni too. Here's the deal you made a decision with the information you had about going back to ExpressJet, you didn't go. Stop complaining about it. You're a grown boy.

Most of us on here know exactly who you are. You are doing flying that most would dream of. I'll take it a step further, you go to two places where people dream to go to, pilots spend their whole careers to fly to, and you're complaining about it. You don't even have the right to complain about the rest of Omni right now. Yeah, you've been there, the rest of us are. But if you're going to continue doing the flying your'e doing, don't B!t<H.

You don't really even commute. And you have the nerve to tell these applicants to take their lack of days off to "go see the world." You've been a regional pilot, you know the drill. You really expect these pilots to jumpseat internationally? You do it domestically and know how had it is. Regional pilots have maybe 10-12 days off a month. Oh, and guess what (as you know) they're not all at once. Yes, yes, they have vacation days, sick days, and reserve days but you really expect them to go to Canada or Mexico on those three days off they have. You go see the World on those days, see how you like it.

Yes, you work eighteen days a month, maybe more. But you're home for 10-12 days straight. Off. My mother only gets eight days off a month. Ok, ok, she's off every night and home but for what? To cook my father dinner, clean, watch a little TV, and then sleep? Man, Those are some real good days at home.

We all signed up for this life, we knew there would be time away from home. Turns out planes leave one place and land at another. If you can't handle that, go be an accountant or put that ERAU degree to work. Just because you're miserable and 180K indebted with student loans (which you signed up for), stop trying to make our lives miserable too.

There are some pilots here at Omni who will never leave. It might be on their own accord or because they just didn't get the call. There are some applicants who want to do this flying because they never will get the chance from Delta, American, United, etc. There are some who want to come here to get some experience. Stop being the Debbie Downer and painting an ugly picture of a good company. It's not good? Have you been furloughed? Have you had a pay day not show up in your account? Have you been charged taxes for your commercial flight? Is the company losing money? Are we parking planes? Is the operation unsafe? Do you have to commute from East Coast to the West Coast thus loosing a day on each end? Even in your base is your commute that hard?

Step back, take a long look in the mirror, and man up.
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Old 09-08-2015 | 03:00 AM
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excellant post--- telling it like it is---
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